1 00:00:06,783 --> 00:00:09,786 [low whirring] 2 00:00:10,753 --> 00:00:12,043 [whirring accelerates] 3 00:00:12,043 --> 00:00:12,789 [whirring accelerates] 4 00:00:24,134 --> 00:00:26,169 [static] 5 00:00:27,871 --> 00:00:29,472 [beep] 6 00:00:56,499 --> 00:00:57,834 ♪ pulsing, dramatic music ♪ 7 00:00:57,867 --> 00:00:59,902 [man] What the hell is that thing? 8 00:01:01,171 --> 00:01:04,975 [woman] I saw this huge saucer-shaped vehicle. 9 00:01:05,008 --> 00:01:06,043 [woman 2] I've never seen anything like that before. 10 00:01:06,043 --> 00:01:08,111 [woman 2] I've never seen anything like that before. 11 00:01:08,144 --> 00:01:09,513 [man 2] It wasn't blinking or nothing. 12 00:01:09,546 --> 00:01:11,114 Was just like a ball of light. 13 00:01:11,147 --> 00:01:12,043 [man 3] Whoa. 14 00:01:12,043 --> 00:01:13,116 [man 3] Whoa. 15 00:01:13,149 --> 00:01:16,153 It's got three triangular lights. 16 00:01:16,186 --> 00:01:18,043 -[pilot] Well, if there's a-- -[pilot 2] Look at that thing! 17 00:01:18,043 --> 00:01:18,421 -[pilot] Well, if there's a-- -[pilot 2] Look at that thing! 18 00:01:18,454 --> 00:01:20,190 [pilot] It's rotating. 19 00:01:20,223 --> 00:01:22,025 [man 3] It's extremely quiet. 20 00:01:22,058 --> 00:01:23,860 It's definitely not an airplane or a helicopter. 21 00:01:23,893 --> 00:01:24,043 I don't know what that was. 22 00:01:24,043 --> 00:01:24,928 I don't know what that was. 23 00:01:24,961 --> 00:01:26,463 ♪♪♪♪♪ 24 00:01:26,496 --> 00:01:28,431 [Leslie Kean] For decades, 25 00:01:28,464 --> 00:01:30,043 UFO witnesses were laughed at. 26 00:01:30,043 --> 00:01:30,200 UFO witnesses were laughed at. 27 00:01:30,233 --> 00:01:32,402 They're just told that they can't talk about it. 28 00:01:32,435 --> 00:01:34,204 "We don't want to hear about it. 29 00:01:34,237 --> 00:01:36,043 Maybe you're a little crazy, if you even saw it." 30 00:01:36,043 --> 00:01:36,506 Maybe you're a little crazy, if you even saw it." 31 00:01:36,539 --> 00:01:39,676 [man 4] No, whatever that is, that's huge. 32 00:01:39,709 --> 00:01:41,845 [Kean] But we're at a place right now 33 00:01:41,878 --> 00:01:42,043 where we are beginning to realize 34 00:01:42,043 --> 00:01:44,648 where we are beginning to realize 35 00:01:44,681 --> 00:01:47,984 how strange it is and how little we really understand. 36 00:01:48,017 --> 00:01:48,043 ♪♪♪♪♪ 37 00:01:48,043 --> 00:01:49,886 ♪♪♪♪♪ 38 00:01:49,919 --> 00:01:52,422 Imagine if it was acknowledged, 39 00:01:52,455 --> 00:01:54,043 officially, that UFOs exist. 40 00:01:54,043 --> 00:01:55,725 officially, that UFOs exist. 41 00:01:55,758 --> 00:01:58,428 That would be a big paradigm shift. 42 00:01:58,461 --> 00:02:00,043 ♪♪♪♪♪ 43 00:02:00,043 --> 00:02:00,463 ♪♪♪♪♪ 44 00:02:09,372 --> 00:02:11,407 [birds chirping] 45 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:18,043 [newswoman] Intelligence agencies have six months 46 00:02:18,043 --> 00:02:19,015 [newswoman] Intelligence agencies have six months 47 00:02:19,048 --> 00:02:22,319 to release all the information they have on UFOs. 48 00:02:22,352 --> 00:02:24,043 It's part of a $2.3 trillion-dollar bill 49 00:02:24,043 --> 00:02:24,588 It's part of a $2.3 trillion-dollar bill 50 00:02:24,621 --> 00:02:26,423 signed back in December. The report needs 51 00:02:26,456 --> 00:02:28,525 to contain analysis of any UFO data 52 00:02:28,558 --> 00:02:30,043 as well as name any possible security threats that they pose. 53 00:02:30,043 --> 00:02:32,662 as well as name any possible security threats that they pose. 54 00:02:32,695 --> 00:02:34,931 ♪ slow, pulsing music ♪ 55 00:02:34,964 --> 00:02:36,043 Thousands of newly declassified documents on UFOs 56 00:02:36,043 --> 00:02:38,401 Thousands of newly declassified documents on UFOs 57 00:02:38,434 --> 00:02:40,036 from the CIA 58 00:02:40,069 --> 00:02:41,771 now accessible on the Internet, 59 00:02:41,804 --> 00:02:42,043 and you can thank a UFO enthusiast 60 00:02:42,043 --> 00:02:44,741 and you can thank a UFO enthusiast 61 00:02:44,774 --> 00:02:48,043 for that massive dump of docs now known as Black Vault. 62 00:02:48,043 --> 00:02:49,646 for that massive dump of docs now known as Black Vault. 63 00:02:49,679 --> 00:02:51,581 [John Greenewald Jr.] With the passing of this bill, 64 00:02:51,614 --> 00:02:53,483 a lot of people think this is it. 65 00:02:53,516 --> 00:02:54,043 This is when the government and the military is gonna come out 66 00:02:54,043 --> 00:02:55,919 This is when the government and the military is gonna come out 67 00:02:55,952 --> 00:02:59,556 and reveal the truth behind what these UFOs or UAP are. 68 00:02:59,589 --> 00:03:00,043 [Aucoin] Seemed like they were aware of our presence, 69 00:03:00,043 --> 00:03:01,324 [Aucoin] Seemed like they were aware of our presence, 70 00:03:01,357 --> 00:03:04,861 'cause they would actively move around us. 71 00:03:04,894 --> 00:03:06,043 [Greenewald] We know that there was the UFO research program. 72 00:03:06,043 --> 00:03:08,265 [Greenewald] We know that there was the UFO research program. 73 00:03:08,298 --> 00:03:12,043 We know they enlisted scientists, 74 00:03:12,043 --> 00:03:12,235 We know they enlisted scientists, 75 00:03:12,268 --> 00:03:13,803 people that could look at this information, 76 00:03:13,836 --> 00:03:15,805 whether it be witness testimony, 77 00:03:15,838 --> 00:03:17,107 photographs or film reels. 78 00:03:17,140 --> 00:03:18,043 ♪ hypnotic, pulsing music ♪ 79 00:03:18,043 --> 00:03:19,042 ♪ hypnotic, pulsing music ♪ 80 00:03:19,075 --> 00:03:21,811 There is so much to dig into. 81 00:03:21,844 --> 00:03:23,913 [man] What we've been doing is simply looking 82 00:03:23,946 --> 00:03:24,043 for flying objects that are where 83 00:03:24,043 --> 00:03:25,915 for flying objects that are where 84 00:03:25,948 --> 00:03:27,917 they're not supposed to be. 85 00:03:27,950 --> 00:03:30,043 But on the one in a million chance that it really is E.T., 86 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:31,454 But on the one in a million chance that it really is E.T., 87 00:03:31,487 --> 00:03:33,890 we kind of want to know that, too. 88 00:03:33,923 --> 00:03:36,043 [Greenewald] I think the media's attention 89 00:03:36,043 --> 00:03:36,726 [Greenewald] I think the media's attention 90 00:03:36,759 --> 00:03:39,629 to the UFO topic absolutely fueled then 91 00:03:39,662 --> 00:03:42,043 the public's response for demanding answers, 92 00:03:42,043 --> 00:03:42,832 the public's response for demanding answers, 93 00:03:42,865 --> 00:03:44,634 for demanding action 94 00:03:44,667 --> 00:03:46,936 and to encourage senators 95 00:03:46,969 --> 00:03:48,043 like Marco Rubio to say, "Hey, 96 00:03:48,043 --> 00:03:48,672 like Marco Rubio to say, "Hey, 97 00:03:48,705 --> 00:03:50,674 this phenomena is real. 98 00:03:50,707 --> 00:03:52,341 You should investigate it." 99 00:03:54,210 --> 00:03:55,979 Tell them it's a threat, tell them 100 00:03:56,012 --> 00:03:58,281 that it's encroaching on military installations, 101 00:03:58,314 --> 00:04:00,043 all of a sudden, you got that Senate Committee on Intelligence 102 00:04:00,043 --> 00:04:01,584 all of a sudden, you got that Senate Committee on Intelligence 103 00:04:01,617 --> 00:04:04,754 pretty darn interested on what intelligence can be gathered, 104 00:04:04,787 --> 00:04:06,043 and they're 100% on board trying to get to it. 105 00:04:06,043 --> 00:04:06,990 and they're 100% on board trying to get to it. 106 00:04:07,023 --> 00:04:09,259 ♪♪♪♪♪ 107 00:04:09,292 --> 00:04:11,227 December of 2017, 108 00:04:11,260 --> 00:04:12,043 The New York Times really put the reality 109 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:13,963 The New York Times really put the reality 110 00:04:13,996 --> 00:04:16,966 of what they called a-a UFO research program 111 00:04:16,999 --> 00:04:18,043 out there into the cosmos, 112 00:04:18,043 --> 00:04:18,501 out there into the cosmos, 113 00:04:18,534 --> 00:04:19,836 and people ate this up. 114 00:04:19,869 --> 00:04:21,371 ♪♪♪♪♪ 115 00:04:21,404 --> 00:04:22,939 That was one of the biggest stories, 116 00:04:22,972 --> 00:04:24,043 if not the biggest story, 117 00:04:24,043 --> 00:04:25,508 if not the biggest story, 118 00:04:25,541 --> 00:04:28,511 that the New York Times digital edition ever had. 119 00:04:28,544 --> 00:04:30,043 ♪♪♪♪♪ 120 00:04:30,043 --> 00:04:30,579 ♪♪♪♪♪ 121 00:04:35,318 --> 00:04:36,043 [keys clacking] 122 00:04:36,043 --> 00:04:38,121 [keys clacking] 123 00:04:38,154 --> 00:04:40,123 [Kean] I've been writing for many years 124 00:04:40,156 --> 00:04:42,043 about unconventional phenomena, 125 00:04:42,043 --> 00:04:42,859 about unconventional phenomena, 126 00:04:42,892 --> 00:04:45,862 large mysteries that really intrigued me 127 00:04:45,895 --> 00:04:48,043 but are not usually covered by... journalists. 128 00:04:48,043 --> 00:04:49,265 but are not usually covered by... journalists. 129 00:04:50,266 --> 00:04:52,702 It's not easy to get The New York Times 130 00:04:52,735 --> 00:04:54,043 to cover a subject that's 131 00:04:54,043 --> 00:04:54,871 to cover a subject that's 132 00:04:54,904 --> 00:04:56,639 not fully documented. 133 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,609 Particularly if it's an issue like this, 134 00:04:59,642 --> 00:05:00,043 where politicians, 135 00:05:00,043 --> 00:05:01,111 where politicians, 136 00:05:01,144 --> 00:05:02,846 although they may be interested, 137 00:05:02,879 --> 00:05:04,981 they're afraid to deal with it. 138 00:05:05,014 --> 00:05:06,043 [newsman] Recent report by The New York Times 139 00:05:06,043 --> 00:05:07,450 [newsman] Recent report by The New York Times 140 00:05:07,483 --> 00:05:11,287 unveiled the existence of a real-life X-Files department. 141 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,043 It's a five-year secret government program 142 00:05:12,043 --> 00:05:12,889 It's a five-year secret government program 143 00:05:12,922 --> 00:05:15,392 to investigate mysterious flying objects. 144 00:05:15,425 --> 00:05:17,494 [newsman 2] The Pentagon now confirms the existence 145 00:05:17,527 --> 00:05:18,043 of a secretive UFO program 146 00:05:18,043 --> 00:05:19,329 of a secretive UFO program 147 00:05:19,362 --> 00:05:21,231 tasked with investigating reports 148 00:05:21,264 --> 00:05:23,166 of unidentified flying objects. 149 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:24,043 [Brian Todd] Tens of millions of dollars 150 00:05:24,043 --> 00:05:24,701 [Brian Todd] Tens of millions of dollars 151 00:05:24,734 --> 00:05:26,269 for the project were pushed through 152 00:05:26,302 --> 00:05:29,205 by former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. 153 00:05:29,238 --> 00:05:30,043 The New York Times says Reid acknowledged to them 154 00:05:30,043 --> 00:05:31,574 The New York Times says Reid acknowledged to them 155 00:05:31,607 --> 00:05:33,376 that he and two other senators 156 00:05:33,409 --> 00:05:34,778 did not want public debate 157 00:05:34,811 --> 00:05:36,043 on the Senate floor over this program. 158 00:05:36,043 --> 00:05:36,212 on the Senate floor over this program. 159 00:05:36,245 --> 00:05:38,948 ♪ gentle, pulsing music ♪ 160 00:05:38,981 --> 00:05:41,918 "Real UFOs? Pentagon Unit Tried to Know." 161 00:05:41,951 --> 00:05:42,043 ♪♪♪♪♪ 162 00:05:42,043 --> 00:05:44,287 ♪♪♪♪♪ 163 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,555 Pretty amazing. 164 00:05:45,588 --> 00:05:48,043 ♪ hypnotic, pulsing music ♪ 165 00:05:48,043 --> 00:05:48,091 ♪ hypnotic, pulsing music ♪ 166 00:05:48,124 --> 00:05:49,892 ♪♪♪♪♪ 167 00:05:51,093 --> 00:05:53,897 The Department of Defense had a program 168 00:05:53,930 --> 00:05:54,043 called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, 169 00:05:54,043 --> 00:05:58,101 called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, 170 00:05:58,134 --> 00:06:00,043 and we all call it AATIP, which is the acronym. 171 00:06:00,043 --> 00:06:01,070 and we all call it AATIP, which is the acronym. 172 00:06:01,103 --> 00:06:04,073 They had had this program since 2007, 173 00:06:04,106 --> 00:06:06,043 whose purpose was to study UFOs. 174 00:06:06,043 --> 00:06:06,876 whose purpose was to study UFOs. 175 00:06:06,909 --> 00:06:08,244 ♪♪♪♪♪ 176 00:06:08,277 --> 00:06:09,712 The funding was not made public, 177 00:06:09,745 --> 00:06:12,043 so nobody knew about it. 178 00:06:12,043 --> 00:06:12,048 so nobody knew about it. 179 00:06:12,081 --> 00:06:13,716 This is the first time it was on the record. 180 00:06:13,749 --> 00:06:15,351 ♪♪♪♪♪ 181 00:06:15,384 --> 00:06:17,353 What instigated the whole thing was the fact 182 00:06:17,386 --> 00:06:18,043 the director of the program resigned 183 00:06:18,043 --> 00:06:19,422 the director of the program resigned 184 00:06:19,455 --> 00:06:22,759 in October, two months before the story came out. 185 00:06:22,792 --> 00:06:24,043 I was fortunate enough to have a meeting with him 186 00:06:24,043 --> 00:06:26,362 I was fortunate enough to have a meeting with him 187 00:06:26,395 --> 00:06:29,365 literally the day he resigned or the day after. 188 00:06:29,398 --> 00:06:30,043 And he wrote a powerful letter to the Secretary of Defense, 189 00:06:30,043 --> 00:06:32,902 And he wrote a powerful letter to the Secretary of Defense, 190 00:06:32,935 --> 00:06:34,471 James Mattis, at the time, 191 00:06:34,504 --> 00:06:36,043 explaining why he was leaving, 192 00:06:36,043 --> 00:06:36,606 explaining why he was leaving, 193 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:38,441 which had to do with the fact 194 00:06:38,474 --> 00:06:41,110 that there were not enough resources provided 195 00:06:41,143 --> 00:06:42,043 for what he considered to be a national security issue. 196 00:06:42,043 --> 00:06:43,980 for what he considered to be a national security issue. 197 00:06:44,013 --> 00:06:45,482 [newswoman] Do you believe 198 00:06:45,515 --> 00:06:47,417 that-that life from somewhere else, 199 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:48,043 while you ran this program, 200 00:06:48,043 --> 00:06:49,252 while you ran this program, 201 00:06:49,285 --> 00:06:51,321 came here, visited, observed? 202 00:06:51,354 --> 00:06:53,857 There is very compelling evidence that we, uh... 203 00:06:53,890 --> 00:06:54,043 we m-may not be alone, 204 00:06:54,043 --> 00:06:55,959 we m-may not be alone, 205 00:06:55,992 --> 00:06:57,527 whatever that means. 206 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,829 [Kean] After our story came out, 207 00:06:59,862 --> 00:07:00,043 there started to be briefings 208 00:07:00,043 --> 00:07:02,031 there started to be briefings 209 00:07:02,064 --> 00:07:04,901 for various committees in Washington. 210 00:07:04,934 --> 00:07:06,043 ♪♪♪♪♪ 211 00:07:06,043 --> 00:07:06,569 ♪♪♪♪♪ 212 00:07:06,602 --> 00:07:09,138 The New York Times has a huge impact. 213 00:07:09,171 --> 00:07:10,573 It opens the door 214 00:07:10,606 --> 00:07:12,043 for things to happen. 215 00:07:12,043 --> 00:07:12,141 for things to happen. 216 00:07:13,543 --> 00:07:16,079 [reporter] I wondered if the president will show his... 217 00:07:16,112 --> 00:07:18,043 degree of transparency on, uh, this issue. 218 00:07:18,043 --> 00:07:19,349 degree of transparency on, uh, this issue. 219 00:07:19,382 --> 00:07:22,352 Uh, I'm not aware of any plans the president has to, uh... 220 00:07:22,385 --> 00:07:24,043 uh, make public any information about this. 221 00:07:24,043 --> 00:07:25,255 uh, make public any information about this. 222 00:07:25,288 --> 00:07:26,656 I would be interested in knowing 223 00:07:26,689 --> 00:07:28,124 if there's some other people here. 224 00:07:28,157 --> 00:07:29,659 [newsman] I don't believe it. Dan? 225 00:07:29,692 --> 00:07:30,043 -I believe it. -[Dan] Listen... 226 00:07:30,043 --> 00:07:31,194 -I believe it. -[Dan] Listen... 227 00:07:31,227 --> 00:07:33,363 UFOs? Any UFOs? 228 00:07:33,396 --> 00:07:34,464 Did you ask about that? 229 00:07:34,497 --> 00:07:35,498 I've certainly asked about it. 230 00:07:35,531 --> 00:07:36,043 And? 231 00:07:36,043 --> 00:07:36,633 And? 232 00:07:36,666 --> 00:07:38,301 Can't tell you. 233 00:07:38,334 --> 00:07:39,569 -Sorry. -Okay. 234 00:07:39,602 --> 00:07:41,404 All right, I'll take that as a yes. 235 00:07:41,437 --> 00:07:42,043 -[chuckling] Why not? -'Cause if there were none, 236 00:07:42,043 --> 00:07:43,006 -[chuckling] Why not? -'Cause if there were none, 237 00:07:43,039 --> 00:07:44,474 you'd say there was none, right? 238 00:07:44,507 --> 00:07:46,042 Feel-feel free to think that. 239 00:07:46,075 --> 00:07:47,510 I do. 240 00:07:47,543 --> 00:07:48,043 -[horns honking in distance] -[jackhammering] 241 00:07:48,043 --> 00:07:49,411 -[horns honking in distance] -[jackhammering] 242 00:07:52,949 --> 00:07:54,043 [Diana Walsh Pasulka] I remember when I woke up 243 00:07:54,043 --> 00:07:54,484 [Diana Walsh Pasulka] I remember when I woke up 244 00:07:54,517 --> 00:07:56,052 the day it came out. 245 00:07:56,085 --> 00:07:58,488 It was a bombshell, right? That's what it was. 246 00:07:58,521 --> 00:08:00,043 ♪ pulsing, tense music ♪ 247 00:08:00,043 --> 00:08:01,457 ♪ pulsing, tense music ♪ 248 00:08:01,490 --> 00:08:04,093 I'm a research professor. 249 00:08:04,126 --> 00:08:05,795 And I research the connections 250 00:08:05,828 --> 00:08:06,043 between technology and religious belief, 251 00:08:06,043 --> 00:08:08,498 between technology and religious belief, 252 00:08:08,531 --> 00:08:09,699 among other things. 253 00:08:09,732 --> 00:08:10,867 ♪♪♪♪♪ 254 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:12,043 That article just electrified 255 00:08:12,043 --> 00:08:13,870 That article just electrified 256 00:08:13,903 --> 00:08:16,205 the whole environment of the study. 257 00:08:16,238 --> 00:08:17,473 ♪♪♪♪♪ 258 00:08:17,506 --> 00:08:18,043 I got phone calls from Harvard. 259 00:08:18,043 --> 00:08:19,475 I got phone calls from Harvard. 260 00:08:19,508 --> 00:08:21,244 I got phone calls from Princeton, 261 00:08:21,277 --> 00:08:23,513 from academics everywhere. 262 00:08:23,546 --> 00:08:24,043 [man] What is that? 263 00:08:24,043 --> 00:08:25,582 [man] What is that? 264 00:08:25,615 --> 00:08:28,318 [Pasulka] These are things that academics don't want to touch. 265 00:08:28,351 --> 00:08:29,586 [pilot] My gosh. 266 00:08:29,619 --> 00:08:30,043 They're all going against the wind. 267 00:08:30,043 --> 00:08:31,754 They're all going against the wind. 268 00:08:31,787 --> 00:08:33,423 [Pasulka] We have scientists 269 00:08:33,456 --> 00:08:36,043 who studied the phenomena anonymously 270 00:08:36,043 --> 00:08:36,326 who studied the phenomena anonymously 271 00:08:36,359 --> 00:08:39,596 to keep their careers intact, frankly. 272 00:08:39,629 --> 00:08:41,864 ♪♪♪♪♪ 273 00:08:41,897 --> 00:08:42,043 [Avi Loeb] Scientists have a problem 274 00:08:42,043 --> 00:08:43,700 [Avi Loeb] Scientists have a problem 275 00:08:43,733 --> 00:08:45,602 discussing the possibility 276 00:08:45,635 --> 00:08:48,043 of extraterrestrial intelligence. 277 00:08:48,043 --> 00:08:48,404 of extraterrestrial intelligence. 278 00:08:48,437 --> 00:08:50,807 They-- It's out of the mainstream, 279 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,642 and it should not be. 280 00:08:52,675 --> 00:08:54,043 [Pasulka] It's almost like the Invisible College. 281 00:08:54,043 --> 00:08:56,112 [Pasulka] It's almost like the Invisible College. 282 00:08:56,145 --> 00:08:58,414 Back in the 1500s, the Invisible College 283 00:08:58,447 --> 00:09:00,043 was a word for the scientists, 284 00:09:00,043 --> 00:09:00,316 was a word for the scientists, 285 00:09:00,349 --> 00:09:02,151 like Francis Bacon, 286 00:09:02,184 --> 00:09:03,519 who were kind of making headway, 287 00:09:03,552 --> 00:09:05,722 but the church would kill them 288 00:09:05,755 --> 00:09:06,043 if they knew what they were doing, right? 289 00:09:06,043 --> 00:09:07,289 if they knew what they were doing, right? 290 00:09:08,424 --> 00:09:09,859 [man] There it is. 291 00:09:09,892 --> 00:09:11,594 [Pasulka] People who study the phenomena 292 00:09:11,627 --> 00:09:12,043 won't talk to each other about it. 293 00:09:12,043 --> 00:09:13,429 won't talk to each other about it. 294 00:09:13,462 --> 00:09:15,932 They just won't. And so I thought, "What is that?" 295 00:09:15,965 --> 00:09:17,734 And I thought, "You know, it's really like Fight Club, 296 00:09:17,767 --> 00:09:18,043 that movie from the 1990s 297 00:09:18,043 --> 00:09:19,235 that movie from the 1990s 298 00:09:19,268 --> 00:09:21,471 with Brad Pitt and Edward Norton." 299 00:09:21,504 --> 00:09:24,043 You've got this guy who starts this cult movement. 300 00:09:24,043 --> 00:09:24,207 You've got this guy who starts this cult movement. 301 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,375 Right? 302 00:09:25,408 --> 00:09:26,643 And they don't talk about it. 303 00:09:26,676 --> 00:09:27,710 First rule of Fight Club: 304 00:09:27,743 --> 00:09:29,144 don't talk about Fight Club. 305 00:09:30,146 --> 00:09:31,981 And with UFO events, 306 00:09:32,014 --> 00:09:33,916 I found it again and again 307 00:09:33,949 --> 00:09:35,818 and again and again. 308 00:09:35,851 --> 00:09:36,043 And it was pervasive. 309 00:09:36,043 --> 00:09:36,919 And it was pervasive. 310 00:09:36,952 --> 00:09:38,988 ♪♪♪♪♪ 311 00:09:40,322 --> 00:09:42,043 So there's no longer an Invisible College. 312 00:09:42,043 --> 00:09:42,725 So there's no longer an Invisible College. 313 00:09:42,758 --> 00:09:45,595 It's a Fight Club. 314 00:09:45,628 --> 00:09:47,663 ♪♪♪♪♪ 315 00:09:49,699 --> 00:09:51,634 [Kean] I think it's important for people to understand 316 00:09:51,667 --> 00:09:54,043 that most sightings of what people call UFOs 317 00:09:54,043 --> 00:09:54,971 that most sightings of what people call UFOs 318 00:09:55,004 --> 00:09:56,639 can be explained. 319 00:09:56,672 --> 00:09:58,207 I mean, if you have people out at night 320 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,709 and they see something weird in the sky 321 00:09:59,742 --> 00:10:00,043 and they might report it, 322 00:10:00,043 --> 00:10:01,277 and they might report it, 323 00:10:01,310 --> 00:10:03,046 well, the authorities can find out. 324 00:10:03,079 --> 00:10:04,447 Was there a weather balloon in the sky that day 325 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,043 at that location? 326 00:10:06,043 --> 00:10:06,616 at that location? 327 00:10:06,649 --> 00:10:10,719 Only a small percentage of sightings can't be explained. 328 00:10:12,688 --> 00:10:14,991 We need to do proper investigations. 329 00:10:15,024 --> 00:10:16,325 I think 330 00:10:16,358 --> 00:10:18,043 it's irresponsible, it's dangerous 331 00:10:18,043 --> 00:10:18,394 it's irresponsible, it's dangerous 332 00:10:18,427 --> 00:10:19,395 to just ignore it. 333 00:10:20,863 --> 00:10:23,866 It's really disrespectful to the witnesses. 334 00:10:24,834 --> 00:10:26,602 The best example of this is 335 00:10:26,635 --> 00:10:27,704 the Phoenix Lights case. 336 00:10:27,737 --> 00:10:30,043 ♪ soft, haunting music ♪ 337 00:10:30,043 --> 00:10:30,373 ♪ soft, haunting music ♪ 338 00:10:30,406 --> 00:10:32,375 ♪♪♪♪♪ 339 00:10:32,408 --> 00:10:35,411 [newsman] It is very rare for thousands of people to call 340 00:10:35,444 --> 00:10:36,043 and report seeing the same lights in the same spot 341 00:10:36,043 --> 00:10:38,614 and report seeing the same lights in the same spot 342 00:10:38,647 --> 00:10:40,215 at the same time. 343 00:10:41,283 --> 00:10:42,043 [Kean] Unlike a lot of the cases that we take very seriously, 344 00:10:42,043 --> 00:10:45,521 [Kean] Unlike a lot of the cases that we take very seriously, 345 00:10:45,554 --> 00:10:47,523 this one was about people, 346 00:10:47,556 --> 00:10:48,043 massive numbers of people. 347 00:10:48,043 --> 00:10:50,292 massive numbers of people. 348 00:10:51,260 --> 00:10:52,729 And a lot of people were calling 349 00:10:52,762 --> 00:10:54,043 the National UFO Reporting Center. 350 00:10:54,043 --> 00:10:54,964 the National UFO Reporting Center. 351 00:10:54,997 --> 00:10:57,300 ♪♪♪♪♪ 352 00:10:57,333 --> 00:11:00,043 [newswoman] UFO watchers are calling it a dramatic event. 353 00:11:00,043 --> 00:11:00,670 [newswoman] UFO watchers are calling it a dramatic event. 354 00:11:00,703 --> 00:11:03,039 -[woman] Another one, too! -[woman 2] Where? Whoa! 355 00:11:03,072 --> 00:11:04,674 -Look at that. Wait. -[man] I got that one on video. 356 00:11:04,707 --> 00:11:06,043 -Can't see how this works. -[man] Whoa. 357 00:11:06,043 --> 00:11:07,276 -Can't see how this works. -[man] Whoa. 358 00:11:07,309 --> 00:11:08,778 -[man 2] Shit. -[man 3] Aliens, 359 00:11:08,811 --> 00:11:10,279 first thing that I thought. 360 00:11:10,312 --> 00:11:12,043 It scared the heck out of me. 361 00:11:12,043 --> 00:11:12,048 It scared the heck out of me. 362 00:11:12,081 --> 00:11:13,449 [man 4] It was a UFO. 363 00:11:13,482 --> 00:11:14,851 [woman 3] We saw five lights in a row. 364 00:11:14,884 --> 00:11:16,519 [man 5] It looked like some kind of, uh, 365 00:11:16,552 --> 00:11:18,043 geometric drawing. 366 00:11:18,043 --> 00:11:18,287 geometric drawing. 367 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,123 [child] It was big as a football field, 368 00:11:20,156 --> 00:11:21,357 -at least. -As I was coming up the hill, 369 00:11:21,390 --> 00:11:23,092 I didn't know what it was. 370 00:11:23,125 --> 00:11:24,043 You heard nothing. 371 00:11:24,043 --> 00:11:24,360 You heard nothing. 372 00:11:24,393 --> 00:11:25,928 [newsman] What do you think it is? 373 00:11:25,961 --> 00:11:28,030 [woman 4] I think it was a spaceship 374 00:11:28,063 --> 00:11:30,043 of some sort. 375 00:11:30,043 --> 00:11:30,133 of some sort. 376 00:11:30,166 --> 00:11:32,435 [Greenewald] There's a lot of mystery behind us 377 00:11:32,468 --> 00:11:34,670 and a lot of unanswered questions 378 00:11:34,703 --> 00:11:36,043 that no one wants to talk about. 379 00:11:36,043 --> 00:11:36,339 that no one wants to talk about. 380 00:11:36,372 --> 00:11:38,307 -[woman 5] What? -What is it? Can you see it? 381 00:11:38,340 --> 00:11:40,309 [Pasulka] We're still talking about it because 382 00:11:40,342 --> 00:11:42,043 of the aftereffects that the people who experienced it 383 00:11:42,043 --> 00:11:42,812 of the aftereffects that the people who experienced it 384 00:11:42,845 --> 00:11:44,447 are still having. 385 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,350 ♪ loud, ominous music ♪ 386 00:11:47,383 --> 00:11:48,043 ♪♪♪♪♪ 387 00:11:48,043 --> 00:11:49,451 ♪♪♪♪♪ 388 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:54,043 Interview, Fife Symington. Camera A, B, C, D. Mark. 389 00:11:54,043 --> 00:11:54,457 Interview, Fife Symington. Camera A, B, C, D. Mark. 390 00:11:54,490 --> 00:11:56,525 ♪♪♪♪♪ 391 00:11:58,394 --> 00:12:00,043 [Symington] I remember I'd been listening to the news, 392 00:12:00,043 --> 00:12:01,597 [Symington] I remember I'd been listening to the news, 393 00:12:01,630 --> 00:12:04,801 and people were reporting lights over Phoenix. 394 00:12:04,834 --> 00:12:06,043 And turned to my wife and said, "You know, 395 00:12:06,043 --> 00:12:07,603 And turned to my wife and said, "You know, 396 00:12:07,636 --> 00:12:10,573 I'm gonna go take my car and I'm gonna go drive to Squaw Peak 397 00:12:10,606 --> 00:12:12,043 to see if I can see what all the hullabaloo is about." 398 00:12:12,043 --> 00:12:13,142 to see if I can see what all the hullabaloo is about." 399 00:12:13,175 --> 00:12:16,279 ♪ gentle, haunting music ♪ 400 00:12:16,312 --> 00:12:18,043 ♪♪♪♪♪ 401 00:12:18,043 --> 00:12:19,782 ♪♪♪♪♪ 402 00:12:19,815 --> 00:12:21,818 There were a whole bunch of people in the park, 403 00:12:21,851 --> 00:12:24,043 and everybody's looking for the lights. 404 00:12:24,043 --> 00:12:25,254 and everybody's looking for the lights. 405 00:12:25,287 --> 00:12:27,256 Then somebody said, "Holy cow. Look at that." 406 00:12:27,289 --> 00:12:30,043 And so I turned around, and this great big 407 00:12:30,043 --> 00:12:30,126 And so I turned around, and this great big 408 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:33,696 delta-shaped thing came out of the northwest 409 00:12:33,729 --> 00:12:36,043 and headed down into the Southeast Valley. 410 00:12:36,043 --> 00:12:36,465 and headed down into the Southeast Valley. 411 00:12:36,498 --> 00:12:38,434 [man] They're lined up in-in a pattern, man. 412 00:12:38,467 --> 00:12:40,636 -There's geometry behind this. -[man 2] Yeah. 413 00:12:40,669 --> 00:12:42,043 [Symington] It was really eerie. It had embedded lights. 414 00:12:42,043 --> 00:12:43,973 [Symington] It was really eerie. It had embedded lights. 415 00:12:44,006 --> 00:12:45,975 I always refer to it as otherworldly. 416 00:12:46,008 --> 00:12:48,043 ♪♪♪♪♪ 417 00:12:48,043 --> 00:12:48,377 ♪♪♪♪♪ 418 00:12:48,410 --> 00:12:50,580 I've never seen anything like it. 419 00:12:50,613 --> 00:12:52,481 ♪♪♪♪♪ 420 00:12:52,514 --> 00:12:54,043 -There's one behind a chimney. -[man] Major sighting here. 421 00:12:54,043 --> 00:12:56,552 -There's one behind a chimney. -[man] Major sighting here. 422 00:12:56,585 --> 00:12:58,754 [Kevin Watson] Couldn't hear it. Not being able to hear it... 423 00:12:58,787 --> 00:12:59,889 [woman] Yeah, it was eerie. 424 00:12:59,922 --> 00:13:00,043 -...was-was eerie to me. -Mm-hmm. 425 00:13:00,043 --> 00:13:01,691 -...was-was eerie to me. -Mm-hmm. 426 00:13:01,724 --> 00:13:03,526 That-- Something in the air 427 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,043 -moving at that size... -Yeah. 428 00:13:06,043 --> 00:13:06,162 -moving at that size... -Yeah. 429 00:13:06,195 --> 00:13:09,332 ...completely still, freaked me out. 430 00:13:09,365 --> 00:13:12,043 [man] And then did it just disappear, like it was gone? 431 00:13:12,043 --> 00:13:12,301 [man] And then did it just disappear, like it was gone? 432 00:13:12,334 --> 00:13:13,703 -[Watson] Lights flicker and-- -And people saw it in Tucson 433 00:13:13,736 --> 00:13:15,371 -minutes later. -Yeah. 434 00:13:15,404 --> 00:13:16,906 -So that's how fast it was. -Minutes later. 435 00:13:16,939 --> 00:13:17,874 -[woman] Yeah. -[newsman] Some believe 436 00:13:17,907 --> 00:13:18,043 the lights were flares. 437 00:13:18,043 --> 00:13:18,875 the lights were flares. 438 00:13:18,908 --> 00:13:20,009 Some believe they were 439 00:13:20,042 --> 00:13:21,844 a secret military aircraft. 440 00:13:21,877 --> 00:13:24,043 And others believe they were spaceships. 441 00:13:24,043 --> 00:13:25,014 And others believe they were spaceships. 442 00:13:25,047 --> 00:13:27,250 [newswoman] City Councilwoman Francis Emma Barwood 443 00:13:27,283 --> 00:13:30,043 is the only city official to look for answers. 444 00:13:30,043 --> 00:13:30,253 is the only city official to look for answers. 445 00:13:30,286 --> 00:13:31,988 [Barwood] I had assumed that this event 446 00:13:32,021 --> 00:13:34,323 was already being investigated, 447 00:13:34,356 --> 00:13:36,043 and I was told that nobody would touch it. 448 00:13:36,043 --> 00:13:36,826 and I was told that nobody would touch it. 449 00:13:36,859 --> 00:13:38,661 Come on. 450 00:13:38,694 --> 00:13:40,396 Good, good, good. 451 00:13:40,429 --> 00:13:42,043 I have a hard time letting things drop 452 00:13:42,043 --> 00:13:43,366 I have a hard time letting things drop 453 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:45,268 that aren't finished. 454 00:13:45,301 --> 00:13:47,436 I always want answers. 455 00:13:47,469 --> 00:13:48,043 ♪ slow, gentle music ♪ 456 00:13:48,043 --> 00:13:49,372 ♪ slow, gentle music ♪ 457 00:13:49,405 --> 00:13:50,940 ♪♪♪♪♪ 458 00:13:50,973 --> 00:13:53,809 I was going to a city council meeting 459 00:13:53,842 --> 00:13:54,043 May 6th of 1997. 460 00:13:54,043 --> 00:13:56,412 May 6th of 1997. 461 00:13:56,445 --> 00:13:58,915 I was stopped by a reporter, 462 00:13:58,948 --> 00:14:00,043 and she asked me if I knew about this object 463 00:14:00,043 --> 00:14:03,386 and she asked me if I knew about this object 464 00:14:03,419 --> 00:14:06,043 that flew over Phoenix on March 13th. 465 00:14:06,043 --> 00:14:06,188 that flew over Phoenix on March 13th. 466 00:14:06,221 --> 00:14:10,192 And she said, "Could you ask at the council meeting?" 467 00:14:10,225 --> 00:14:12,043 When it came my turn for a council request, 468 00:14:12,043 --> 00:14:13,396 When it came my turn for a council request, 469 00:14:13,429 --> 00:14:16,098 I told them about the reporter and... 470 00:14:16,131 --> 00:14:18,000 could we find out whatever this object was. 471 00:14:18,033 --> 00:14:18,043 Kind of curious. Especially since people are starting 472 00:14:18,043 --> 00:14:21,437 Kind of curious. Especially since people are starting 473 00:14:21,470 --> 00:14:23,439 to ask more questions. 474 00:14:23,472 --> 00:14:24,043 Everybody turned around, looked at me. 475 00:14:24,043 --> 00:14:25,574 Everybody turned around, looked at me. 476 00:14:25,607 --> 00:14:26,709 And it was like, 477 00:14:26,742 --> 00:14:28,577 "Did I say something wrong?" 478 00:14:28,610 --> 00:14:29,645 [chuckles] 479 00:14:31,947 --> 00:14:33,382 -[woman] Thank you. -Thanks. 480 00:14:33,415 --> 00:14:35,117 Councilman Siebert. 481 00:14:35,150 --> 00:14:36,043 [Barwood] How can this be swept under the rug? 482 00:14:36,043 --> 00:14:38,821 [Barwood] How can this be swept under the rug? 483 00:14:38,854 --> 00:14:40,423 What are they all afraid of? 484 00:14:40,456 --> 00:14:42,043 ♪ soft, pulsing music ♪ 485 00:14:42,043 --> 00:14:42,158 ♪ soft, pulsing music ♪ 486 00:14:42,191 --> 00:14:43,726 [Symington] It was a fairly 487 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:45,261 tumultuous time for me politically, 488 00:14:45,294 --> 00:14:46,963 and I certainly didn't want 489 00:14:46,996 --> 00:14:48,043 to pour any kerosene on the fire. 490 00:14:48,043 --> 00:14:49,632 to pour any kerosene on the fire. 491 00:14:49,665 --> 00:14:51,067 ♪♪♪♪♪ 492 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:52,802 So, the next day, 493 00:14:52,835 --> 00:14:54,043 I'd kept my mouth shut. 494 00:14:54,043 --> 00:14:54,170 I'd kept my mouth shut. 495 00:14:54,203 --> 00:14:56,005 [chuckles] 496 00:14:56,038 --> 00:14:59,809 I just decided to lock it away and not-not talk about it. 497 00:14:59,842 --> 00:15:00,043 It just seemed to be the prudent thing to do. 498 00:15:00,043 --> 00:15:02,645 It just seemed to be the prudent thing to do. 499 00:15:02,678 --> 00:15:04,981 I didn't, I didn't need to stand up and say, 500 00:15:05,014 --> 00:15:06,043 "Hey, I-I've seen it." 501 00:15:06,043 --> 00:15:06,882 "Hey, I-I've seen it." 502 00:15:06,915 --> 00:15:08,718 Uh, you have thousands of other people who stood up 503 00:15:08,751 --> 00:15:09,819 and said they've seen it. 504 00:15:09,852 --> 00:15:12,043 The story was out there. 505 00:15:12,043 --> 00:15:12,989 The story was out there. 506 00:15:13,022 --> 00:15:15,324 [Tom Brokaw] Are we alone? 507 00:15:15,357 --> 00:15:16,959 No, I don't mean just you and me. 508 00:15:16,992 --> 00:15:18,043 I mean this Earth. 509 00:15:18,043 --> 00:15:18,995 I mean this Earth. 510 00:15:19,028 --> 00:15:21,998 Have we had some visitors recently? 511 00:15:22,031 --> 00:15:24,043 The buzz is very big in the desert southwest, 512 00:15:24,043 --> 00:15:24,834 The buzz is very big in the desert southwest, 513 00:15:24,867 --> 00:15:26,969 where it's really never gone away after some... 514 00:15:27,002 --> 00:15:28,771 weird happenings in the skies 515 00:15:28,804 --> 00:15:30,043 over Phoenix recently. 516 00:15:30,043 --> 00:15:30,773 over Phoenix recently. 517 00:15:30,806 --> 00:15:32,808 [newsman] Phoenix Councilwoman Frances Emma Barwood 518 00:15:32,841 --> 00:15:35,177 says she now gets stacks of mail 519 00:15:35,210 --> 00:15:36,043 from across the country detailing similar sightings. 520 00:15:36,043 --> 00:15:37,947 from across the country detailing similar sightings. 521 00:15:37,980 --> 00:15:39,448 There's no doubt in my mind 522 00:15:39,481 --> 00:15:42,043 that they saw something really phenomenal. 523 00:15:42,043 --> 00:15:42,118 that they saw something really phenomenal. 524 00:15:42,151 --> 00:15:45,121 Why isn't anybody else curious? 525 00:15:45,154 --> 00:15:48,043 I mean, why am I the only elected official that... 526 00:15:48,043 --> 00:15:48,224 I mean, why am I the only elected official that... 527 00:15:48,257 --> 00:15:50,026 wanted to find out about it? 528 00:15:50,059 --> 00:15:52,995 [newswoman] Strange dots of light that were the talk 529 00:15:53,028 --> 00:15:54,043 -of the town. -[newsman] A mass, 530 00:15:54,043 --> 00:15:54,797 -of the town. -[newsman] A mass, 531 00:15:54,830 --> 00:15:56,699 statewide UFO sighting. 532 00:15:56,732 --> 00:15:58,334 [Kean] As a result of the kind 533 00:15:58,367 --> 00:16:00,043 of uproar that occurred, 534 00:16:00,043 --> 00:16:00,169 of uproar that occurred, 535 00:16:00,202 --> 00:16:03,272 it was sort of like all the citizens suddenly woke up. 536 00:16:03,305 --> 00:16:05,041 And so there was all this pressure 537 00:16:05,074 --> 00:16:06,043 on Governor Fife Symington to do something. 538 00:16:06,043 --> 00:16:07,843 on Governor Fife Symington to do something. 539 00:16:07,876 --> 00:16:10,613 [newsman] Today, in a very surprising move, 540 00:16:10,646 --> 00:16:12,043 Governor Symington said he was going to do something 541 00:16:12,043 --> 00:16:12,381 Governor Symington said he was going to do something 542 00:16:12,414 --> 00:16:15,284 to find out what was going on. 543 00:16:15,317 --> 00:16:16,552 [Symington] You're governor-- 544 00:16:16,585 --> 00:16:18,043 your highest duty is to the citizens 545 00:16:18,043 --> 00:16:18,220 your highest duty is to the citizens 546 00:16:18,253 --> 00:16:19,889 who elected you to office 547 00:16:19,922 --> 00:16:23,059 and to protect them if there's some danger 548 00:16:23,092 --> 00:16:24,043 and demand answers. 549 00:16:24,043 --> 00:16:24,827 and demand answers. 550 00:16:24,860 --> 00:16:26,695 Many of our citizens have been 551 00:16:26,728 --> 00:16:28,164 very disturbed by this. 552 00:16:28,197 --> 00:16:29,965 In response, I suggested that it was time 553 00:16:29,998 --> 00:16:30,043 to end months of speculation on the question 554 00:16:30,043 --> 00:16:32,535 to end months of speculation on the question 555 00:16:32,568 --> 00:16:35,404 and investigate the matter once and for all to clear it up. 556 00:16:35,437 --> 00:16:36,043 [man] If the authorities don't know what it is, 557 00:16:36,043 --> 00:16:37,907 [man] If the authorities don't know what it is, 558 00:16:37,940 --> 00:16:40,209 they should say. And if they do know, they are accountable 559 00:16:40,242 --> 00:16:42,043 to the public and they'd better cough up an answer. 560 00:16:42,043 --> 00:16:42,711 to the public and they'd better cough up an answer. 561 00:16:42,744 --> 00:16:44,213 ♪ pulsing, tense music ♪ 562 00:16:44,246 --> 00:16:46,515 [Symington] We made serious inquiries, 563 00:16:46,548 --> 00:16:48,043 asking the Air Force, "Well, what did you find?" 564 00:16:48,043 --> 00:16:48,584 asking the Air Force, "Well, what did you find?" 565 00:16:48,617 --> 00:16:51,620 And we never got a satisfactory explanation. 566 00:16:51,653 --> 00:16:54,043 The most interesting one was 567 00:16:54,043 --> 00:16:54,890 The most interesting one was 568 00:16:54,923 --> 00:16:56,392 the Warthogs, the A-10s, 569 00:16:56,425 --> 00:16:59,428 that they said had dropped flares. 570 00:16:59,461 --> 00:17:00,043 [newswoman] The National Guard says it was 571 00:17:00,043 --> 00:17:01,530 [newswoman] The National Guard says it was 572 00:17:01,563 --> 00:17:04,700 conducting flare exercises outside Phoenix that night. 573 00:17:04,733 --> 00:17:06,043 [man] Our A-10 Thunderbolts that are right behind me 574 00:17:06,043 --> 00:17:07,903 [man] Our A-10 Thunderbolts that are right behind me 575 00:17:07,936 --> 00:17:10,206 were on a night illumination exercise. 576 00:17:10,239 --> 00:17:11,674 [Symington] I mean, I'm a pilot. 577 00:17:11,707 --> 00:17:12,043 I knew they weren't flares. 578 00:17:12,043 --> 00:17:13,442 I knew they weren't flares. 579 00:17:13,475 --> 00:17:15,444 Flares don't do what those lights were doing. 580 00:17:15,477 --> 00:17:18,043 Plus, the problem with that was the timing. 581 00:17:18,043 --> 00:17:18,247 Plus, the problem with that was the timing. 582 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,850 The Air Force said that the A-10s 583 00:17:20,883 --> 00:17:23,219 were out there at about ten o'clock, 584 00:17:23,252 --> 00:17:24,043 but the lights were at around 8:30 or something. 585 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:25,721 but the lights were at around 8:30 or something. 586 00:17:25,754 --> 00:17:28,457 [newswoman] What took place here was far different than what 587 00:17:28,490 --> 00:17:30,025 the Air National Guard says took place. 588 00:17:30,058 --> 00:17:32,061 This happened over a period of hours 589 00:17:32,094 --> 00:17:33,195 all over the state. 590 00:17:33,228 --> 00:17:35,598 So, the official response 591 00:17:35,631 --> 00:17:36,043 was completely bogus. 592 00:17:36,043 --> 00:17:37,165 was completely bogus. 593 00:17:38,233 --> 00:17:41,270 But a governor has no power 594 00:17:41,303 --> 00:17:42,043 over the Air Force or Luke Air Force Base 595 00:17:42,043 --> 00:17:44,106 over the Air Force or Luke Air Force Base 596 00:17:44,139 --> 00:17:46,775 to do anything more than ask a lot of questions. 597 00:17:46,808 --> 00:17:48,043 That's all you... 598 00:17:48,043 --> 00:17:48,344 That's all you... 599 00:17:48,377 --> 00:17:50,146 all you could do, you know? 600 00:17:50,179 --> 00:17:52,481 Sometimes very difficult dealing with the federal government. 601 00:17:53,715 --> 00:17:54,043 [Kean] Senator John McCain was asked about this. 602 00:17:54,043 --> 00:17:57,119 [Kean] Senator John McCain was asked about this. 603 00:17:57,152 --> 00:17:59,255 People would write him letters and call his office. 604 00:17:59,288 --> 00:18:00,043 [man] Why don't they come clean and say, 605 00:18:00,043 --> 00:18:01,257 [man] Why don't they come clean and say, 606 00:18:01,290 --> 00:18:03,359 "We don't know" or "We do know"? 607 00:18:03,392 --> 00:18:04,927 That's all we want to know. 608 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,043 [Kean] John McCain asked the Air Force 609 00:18:06,043 --> 00:18:07,963 [Kean] John McCain asked the Air Force 610 00:18:07,996 --> 00:18:09,632 if they would conduct an investigation 611 00:18:09,665 --> 00:18:12,043 and was told that they don't investigate UFOs, 612 00:18:12,043 --> 00:18:13,736 and was told that they don't investigate UFOs, 613 00:18:13,769 --> 00:18:16,772 which was about as far as he could go 614 00:18:16,805 --> 00:18:18,043 as a public official. 615 00:18:18,043 --> 00:18:19,674 as a public official. 616 00:18:22,277 --> 00:18:24,043 [Symington] Yes. McCain 617 00:18:24,043 --> 00:18:24,613 [Symington] Yes. McCain 618 00:18:24,646 --> 00:18:29,418 was very open to it being a... an unidentified flying object. 619 00:18:29,451 --> 00:18:30,043 So, I asked the Air Force, "Well, what did you find?" 620 00:18:30,043 --> 00:18:33,956 So, I asked the Air Force, "Well, what did you find?" 621 00:18:33,989 --> 00:18:36,043 And they said they didn't find anything, so... 622 00:18:36,043 --> 00:18:37,526 And they said they didn't find anything, so... 623 00:18:39,895 --> 00:18:42,043 There have been reports that several aircraft 624 00:18:42,043 --> 00:18:42,631 There have been reports that several aircraft 625 00:18:42,664 --> 00:18:45,000 took off from Luke Air Force base 626 00:18:45,033 --> 00:18:46,802 in hot pursuit with afterburner 627 00:18:46,835 --> 00:18:48,043 and tried to intercept whatever the lights were. 628 00:18:48,043 --> 00:18:50,305 and tried to intercept whatever the lights were. 629 00:18:51,740 --> 00:18:53,709 [man] Almost blew over me. 630 00:18:53,742 --> 00:18:54,043 And as soon as the jets got 631 00:18:54,043 --> 00:18:56,178 And as soon as the jets got 632 00:18:56,211 --> 00:18:58,747 to the object, this thing, like, shot straight up 633 00:18:58,780 --> 00:19:00,043 and vanished right in front of my eyes. 634 00:19:00,043 --> 00:19:00,149 and vanished right in front of my eyes. 635 00:19:00,182 --> 00:19:02,084 And that's... that was really 636 00:19:02,117 --> 00:19:03,285 what put me over the edge there 637 00:19:03,318 --> 00:19:04,453 when I... when I saw that. 638 00:19:04,486 --> 00:19:06,043 [thunder rumbling] 639 00:19:06,043 --> 00:19:06,455 [thunder rumbling] 640 00:19:06,488 --> 00:19:09,091 ♪ slow, dramatic music ♪ 641 00:19:09,124 --> 00:19:11,159 ♪♪♪♪♪ 642 00:19:17,699 --> 00:19:18,043 [Siavelis] It's hard to believe that something 643 00:19:18,043 --> 00:19:20,135 [Siavelis] It's hard to believe that something 644 00:19:20,168 --> 00:19:22,404 can be in our airspace that the government 645 00:19:22,437 --> 00:19:24,043 is not aware of. 646 00:19:24,043 --> 00:19:24,506 is not aware of. 647 00:19:26,441 --> 00:19:29,911 No matter what level it is in the Air Force. 648 00:19:31,513 --> 00:19:35,184 The government is supposed to be in charge. 649 00:19:35,217 --> 00:19:36,043 [host] Let me, uh, start the tape, and I'll start a timer. 650 00:19:36,043 --> 00:19:37,419 [host] Let me, uh, start the tape, and I'll start a timer. 651 00:19:37,452 --> 00:19:40,589 For the record, it's Friday, the 14th of March, '97. 652 00:19:40,622 --> 00:19:42,043 I'm talking with a gentleman which is calling from Phoenix. 653 00:19:42,043 --> 00:19:43,559 I'm talking with a gentleman which is calling from Phoenix. 654 00:19:43,592 --> 00:19:45,193 Okay, sir, go ahead. 655 00:20:00,108 --> 00:20:02,544 [Siavelis] The jets that were taking off 656 00:20:02,577 --> 00:20:04,746 from Luke Air Force Base... 657 00:20:06,915 --> 00:20:10,586 You don't scramble jets just from somebody calling in 658 00:20:10,619 --> 00:20:12,043 to the police station. 659 00:20:12,043 --> 00:20:12,988 to the police station. 660 00:20:13,021 --> 00:20:14,656 And they weren't flares. 661 00:20:34,976 --> 00:20:36,043 Those two pilots get out of their aircraft, 662 00:20:36,043 --> 00:20:36,945 Those two pilots get out of their aircraft, 663 00:20:36,978 --> 00:20:38,113 and they're shaken, 664 00:20:38,146 --> 00:20:40,482 because their gun-ready camera 665 00:20:40,515 --> 00:20:42,017 was filming 666 00:20:42,050 --> 00:20:44,386 something they've never saw before. 667 00:21:07,676 --> 00:21:11,280 [Greenewald] With UFOs, nothing is ever black-and-white. 668 00:21:11,313 --> 00:21:12,043 There's always mud in the water 669 00:21:12,043 --> 00:21:13,282 There's always mud in the water 670 00:21:13,315 --> 00:21:16,051 of trying to figure out some of these stories. 671 00:21:16,084 --> 00:21:18,043 There's half a century of secrecy relating to this, 672 00:21:18,043 --> 00:21:19,455 There's half a century of secrecy relating to this, 673 00:21:19,488 --> 00:21:21,190 and so I started 674 00:21:21,223 --> 00:21:23,692 researching the United States government connection 675 00:21:23,725 --> 00:21:24,043 to what UFOs were. 676 00:21:24,043 --> 00:21:25,861 to what UFOs were. 677 00:21:25,894 --> 00:21:28,197 ♪ pulsing, dramatic music ♪ 678 00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:29,965 ♪♪♪♪♪ 679 00:21:29,998 --> 00:21:30,043 [man] On flying saucers, 680 00:21:30,043 --> 00:21:31,400 [man] On flying saucers, 681 00:21:31,433 --> 00:21:34,136 do you yourself believe that they exist? 682 00:21:34,169 --> 00:21:35,871 Well, I'm positive they exist. 683 00:21:35,904 --> 00:21:36,043 The weight of the evidence makes it impossible 684 00:21:36,043 --> 00:21:38,240 The weight of the evidence makes it impossible 685 00:21:38,273 --> 00:21:40,376 to arrive at any other conclusion. 686 00:21:40,409 --> 00:21:42,043 [Greenewald] It started way back in 1947. 687 00:21:42,043 --> 00:21:43,612 [Greenewald] It started way back in 1947. 688 00:21:43,645 --> 00:21:46,181 There were UFO fleets that were 689 00:21:46,214 --> 00:21:47,982 being seen above the skies of Washington. 690 00:21:51,887 --> 00:21:53,621 People were scared. 691 00:21:56,725 --> 00:21:59,628 [Mike Wallace] Tonight, we go after a fantastic story. 692 00:21:59,661 --> 00:22:00,043 The story that flying saucers 693 00:22:00,043 --> 00:22:00,963 The story that flying saucers 694 00:22:00,996 --> 00:22:04,366 from other worlds are visiting our planet. 695 00:22:04,399 --> 00:22:06,043 [Kean] There were so many sightings, 696 00:22:06,043 --> 00:22:07,536 [Kean] There were so many sightings, 697 00:22:07,569 --> 00:22:10,205 and the Air Force just didn't know what to do about it. 698 00:22:10,238 --> 00:22:12,043 [John Samford] Air Force interest in this problem 699 00:22:12,043 --> 00:22:12,875 [John Samford] Air Force interest in this problem 700 00:22:12,908 --> 00:22:15,344 has been due to our feeling of an obligation 701 00:22:15,377 --> 00:22:18,043 to identify and analyze 702 00:22:18,043 --> 00:22:19,348 to identify and analyze 703 00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:20,749 to the best of our ability, 704 00:22:20,782 --> 00:22:22,451 anything in the air 705 00:22:22,484 --> 00:22:24,043 that may have the possibility of threat 706 00:22:24,043 --> 00:22:25,187 that may have the possibility of threat 707 00:22:25,220 --> 00:22:27,289 or menace to the United States. 708 00:22:27,322 --> 00:22:29,691 [Greenewald] There was this aim 709 00:22:29,724 --> 00:22:30,043 to truly investigate UFOs. 710 00:22:30,043 --> 00:22:32,261 to truly investigate UFOs. 711 00:22:32,294 --> 00:22:33,929 [Samford] There have been reports 712 00:22:33,962 --> 00:22:35,964 that have been made 713 00:22:35,997 --> 00:22:36,043 by credible observers 714 00:22:36,043 --> 00:22:37,900 by credible observers 715 00:22:37,933 --> 00:22:40,902 of relatively incredible things. 716 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,443 [Greenewald] The Air Force Office of Special Investigations 717 00:22:47,476 --> 00:22:48,043 created a Project Grudge, 718 00:22:48,043 --> 00:22:48,944 created a Project Grudge, 719 00:22:48,977 --> 00:22:50,312 Project Sign, 720 00:22:50,345 --> 00:22:52,981 and then later Project Blue Book in 1952 721 00:22:53,014 --> 00:22:54,043 to investigate 722 00:22:54,043 --> 00:22:54,349 to investigate 723 00:22:54,382 --> 00:22:56,518 and ultimately explain them. 724 00:22:56,551 --> 00:22:58,787 [Kean] Project Blue Book was set up 725 00:22:58,820 --> 00:23:00,043 with a public office 726 00:23:00,043 --> 00:23:00,756 with a public office 727 00:23:00,789 --> 00:23:04,560 where citizens could contribute reports of sightings. 728 00:23:04,593 --> 00:23:06,043 So, you had all these witnesses. 729 00:23:06,043 --> 00:23:08,096 So, you had all these witnesses. 730 00:23:09,097 --> 00:23:10,766 [Thomas Hanchett] I looked up, 731 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:12,043 and to my right, I saw a large ball of fire. 732 00:23:12,043 --> 00:23:14,736 and to my right, I saw a large ball of fire. 733 00:23:14,769 --> 00:23:18,043 The object, uh, very rapidly disappeared... 734 00:23:18,043 --> 00:23:18,340 The object, uh, very rapidly disappeared... 735 00:23:18,373 --> 00:23:19,975 ♪ pulsing, intense music ♪ 736 00:23:20,008 --> 00:23:21,143 [Pasulka] You have 737 00:23:21,176 --> 00:23:24,043 people experiencing something 738 00:23:24,043 --> 00:23:24,279 people experiencing something 739 00:23:24,312 --> 00:23:26,514 that they don't quite understand. 740 00:23:27,516 --> 00:23:30,043 These experiences impact these people. 741 00:23:30,043 --> 00:23:30,853 These experiences impact these people. 742 00:23:30,886 --> 00:23:33,589 Impacts the way that they 743 00:23:33,622 --> 00:23:34,556 live their lives. 744 00:23:35,557 --> 00:23:36,043 [John Foster] Two small lights appeared to me 745 00:23:36,043 --> 00:23:37,826 [John Foster] Two small lights appeared to me 746 00:23:37,859 --> 00:23:40,796 at the outer edges of the object 747 00:23:40,829 --> 00:23:42,043 glowing in a bluish green light and... 748 00:23:42,043 --> 00:23:44,132 glowing in a bluish green light and... 749 00:23:44,165 --> 00:23:46,668 [Pasulka] Lots and lots and lots of people, 750 00:23:46,701 --> 00:23:48,043 lot of very, you know, intelligent 751 00:23:48,043 --> 00:23:48,704 lot of very, you know, intelligent 752 00:23:48,737 --> 00:23:50,639 and successful people 753 00:23:50,672 --> 00:23:52,207 believe and see UFOs. 754 00:23:53,208 --> 00:23:54,043 Researchers in contact 755 00:23:54,043 --> 00:23:55,143 Researchers in contact 756 00:23:55,176 --> 00:23:58,480 with some of the people still today decide to look 757 00:23:58,513 --> 00:24:00,043 at the effects. 758 00:24:00,043 --> 00:24:00,549 at the effects. 759 00:24:00,582 --> 00:24:03,151 What if thousands of people saw it? 760 00:24:03,184 --> 00:24:05,921 You know, what kind of effects would they have? 761 00:24:05,954 --> 00:24:06,043 What would that do to our culture? 762 00:24:06,043 --> 00:24:07,522 What would that do to our culture? 763 00:24:13,395 --> 00:24:15,664 UFO, for want of a better word, 764 00:24:15,697 --> 00:24:18,043 this phenomenon becomes, somehow, a new form 765 00:24:18,043 --> 00:24:18,634 this phenomenon becomes, somehow, a new form 766 00:24:18,667 --> 00:24:20,802 of religiosity. 767 00:24:23,538 --> 00:24:24,043 It created true believers. 768 00:24:24,043 --> 00:24:25,240 It created true believers. 769 00:24:25,273 --> 00:24:27,042 [newswoman] It was 1:40 a.m. 770 00:24:27,075 --> 00:24:30,043 Deputy Sheriff Val Johnson was on patrol 771 00:24:30,043 --> 00:24:30,145 Deputy Sheriff Val Johnson was on patrol 772 00:24:30,178 --> 00:24:32,481 in rural Marshall County when, suddenly, 773 00:24:32,514 --> 00:24:34,316 he saw a bright light 774 00:24:34,349 --> 00:24:36,043 a few feet above ground level two miles down the road. 775 00:24:36,043 --> 00:24:37,486 a few feet above ground level two miles down the road. 776 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,721 I traveled about a mile, 777 00:24:39,754 --> 00:24:42,043 and the light seemed to, uh, intercept me, 778 00:24:42,043 --> 00:24:42,691 and the light seemed to, uh, intercept me, 779 00:24:42,724 --> 00:24:46,662 so to speak, and, uh, came right up on me. 780 00:24:46,695 --> 00:24:48,043 It was painful. The light was extremely brilliant and painful. 781 00:24:48,043 --> 00:24:50,165 It was painful. The light was extremely brilliant and painful. 782 00:24:50,198 --> 00:24:53,435 I closed my eyes, and I heard the sound of breaking glass, 783 00:24:53,468 --> 00:24:54,043 and that's the last I remember. 784 00:24:54,043 --> 00:24:55,604 and that's the last I remember. 785 00:24:55,637 --> 00:24:57,606 [newswoman] Johnson was unconscious for 40 minutes 786 00:24:57,639 --> 00:25:00,043 before he radioed for help and was taken to the hospital. 787 00:25:00,043 --> 00:25:00,742 before he radioed for help and was taken to the hospital. 788 00:25:00,775 --> 00:25:02,377 A doctor and later an eye specialist 789 00:25:02,410 --> 00:25:05,480 confirmed that Johnson had suffered mild welder 790 00:25:05,513 --> 00:25:06,043 or flash burns to his eyes. 791 00:25:06,043 --> 00:25:07,082 or flash burns to his eyes. 792 00:25:07,115 --> 00:25:09,885 Even stranger, both Johnson's wristwatch 793 00:25:09,918 --> 00:25:12,043 and the electric clock in his patrol car 794 00:25:12,043 --> 00:25:12,554 and the electric clock in his patrol car 795 00:25:12,587 --> 00:25:14,656 had mysteriously stopped for 14 minutes. 796 00:25:14,689 --> 00:25:18,043 It's truly unexplainable to me or, uh, un-unknown to me. 797 00:25:18,043 --> 00:25:18,760 It's truly unexplainable to me or, uh, un-unknown to me. 798 00:25:18,793 --> 00:25:20,729 [Greenewald] UFO sightings 799 00:25:20,762 --> 00:25:24,043 blew up in a way that no one truly expected. 800 00:25:24,043 --> 00:25:24,399 blew up in a way that no one truly expected. 801 00:25:25,934 --> 00:25:28,503 Going back to the Space Race of the '60s, 802 00:25:28,536 --> 00:25:30,043 the astronauts that were going up for the first time, 803 00:25:30,043 --> 00:25:31,106 the astronauts that were going up for the first time, 804 00:25:31,139 --> 00:25:34,175 they were seeing stuff that they just couldn't explain. 805 00:25:38,179 --> 00:25:41,249 [Greenewald] It didn't stop in the 1960s either. 806 00:25:41,282 --> 00:25:42,043 Today there are many NASA videos 807 00:25:42,043 --> 00:25:43,719 Today there are many NASA videos 808 00:25:43,752 --> 00:25:46,755 that have these mysterious and unknown objects. 809 00:25:46,788 --> 00:25:48,043 There are a growing number of cases 810 00:25:48,043 --> 00:25:49,491 There are a growing number of cases 811 00:25:49,524 --> 00:25:52,160 that don't have a logical explanation. 812 00:25:52,193 --> 00:25:54,043 And from the beginning, the government 813 00:25:54,043 --> 00:25:54,563 And from the beginning, the government 814 00:25:54,596 --> 00:25:55,764 had to squash it. 815 00:25:55,797 --> 00:25:57,299 ♪ tense, dramatic music ♪ 816 00:25:57,332 --> 00:25:59,101 ♪♪♪♪♪ 817 00:25:59,134 --> 00:26:00,043 In the early 1950s, the CIA was starting to see 818 00:26:00,043 --> 00:26:01,837 In the early 1950s, the CIA was starting to see 819 00:26:01,870 --> 00:26:05,374 that there was a much bigger national security implication 820 00:26:05,407 --> 00:26:06,043 behind what UFOs were. 821 00:26:06,043 --> 00:26:06,875 behind what UFOs were. 822 00:26:06,908 --> 00:26:08,543 Whether or not they were alien 823 00:26:08,576 --> 00:26:10,678 at this point really was irrelevant. 824 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,043 They knew that the excitement 825 00:26:12,043 --> 00:26:14,282 They knew that the excitement 826 00:26:14,315 --> 00:26:16,952 that the general public had, 827 00:26:16,985 --> 00:26:18,043 that in itself could create a risk. 828 00:26:18,043 --> 00:26:19,087 that in itself could create a risk. 829 00:26:20,088 --> 00:26:22,824 A group of scientists put together by the CIA 830 00:26:22,857 --> 00:26:24,043 analyzed all of the UFO data 831 00:26:24,043 --> 00:26:25,894 analyzed all of the UFO data 832 00:26:25,927 --> 00:26:27,996 that the United States Air Force collected, and they said, 833 00:26:28,029 --> 00:26:29,965 "Are we looking at a phenomena that's real? 834 00:26:29,998 --> 00:26:30,043 Is this something that we should worry about, 835 00:26:30,043 --> 00:26:31,900 Is this something that we should worry about, 836 00:26:31,933 --> 00:26:33,435 and what should we do about it?" 837 00:26:33,468 --> 00:26:35,470 The committee concluded that in the 19 years 838 00:26:35,503 --> 00:26:36,043 since the first UFO was sighted, there has been no evidence 839 00:26:36,043 --> 00:26:39,107 since the first UFO was sighted, there has been no evidence 840 00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:41,176 that unidentified flying objects 841 00:26:41,209 --> 00:26:42,043 are a threat to our national security. 842 00:26:42,043 --> 00:26:43,578 are a threat to our national security. 843 00:26:44,579 --> 00:26:46,148 [Greenewald] Project Blue Book, 844 00:26:46,181 --> 00:26:48,043 which lasted all the way through 1969, 845 00:26:48,043 --> 00:26:48,350 which lasted all the way through 1969, 846 00:26:48,383 --> 00:26:49,985 was not to investigate anything. 847 00:26:50,018 --> 00:26:52,020 It was rather to explain it. 848 00:26:52,053 --> 00:26:54,043 To say, "Look, you guys think you don't understand this, 849 00:26:54,043 --> 00:26:55,691 To say, "Look, you guys think you don't understand this, 850 00:26:55,724 --> 00:26:58,060 but we do. We're the all-powerful government. 851 00:26:58,093 --> 00:27:00,043 We're the all-powerful CIA. We can explain this." 852 00:27:00,043 --> 00:27:00,796 We're the all-powerful CIA. We can explain this." 853 00:27:00,829 --> 00:27:04,466 [Kean] Some of the explanations they gave were so ludicrous 854 00:27:04,499 --> 00:27:06,043 that it was essentially like ridicule. 855 00:27:06,043 --> 00:27:07,135 that it was essentially like ridicule. 856 00:27:07,168 --> 00:27:10,072 I cannot prove in a court of law 857 00:27:10,105 --> 00:27:12,043 that marsh gas is the full explanation 858 00:27:12,043 --> 00:27:12,841 that marsh gas is the full explanation 859 00:27:12,874 --> 00:27:14,543 of these sightings, 860 00:27:14,576 --> 00:27:18,043 but it does appear, to me, extremely likely. 861 00:27:18,043 --> 00:27:19,214 but it does appear, to me, extremely likely. 862 00:27:19,247 --> 00:27:20,682 [newsman] Are you saying, Doctor, that Michigan 863 00:27:20,715 --> 00:27:22,617 is now producing nonexistent saucers? 864 00:27:22,650 --> 00:27:24,043 [chuckles] Well, it's one way of putting it, I suppose. 865 00:27:24,043 --> 00:27:26,688 [chuckles] Well, it's one way of putting it, I suppose. 866 00:27:26,721 --> 00:27:28,890 [Kean] It just became part of the cultural way 867 00:27:28,923 --> 00:27:30,043 of dealing with this, unfortunately. 868 00:27:30,043 --> 00:27:31,159 of dealing with this, unfortunately. 869 00:27:31,192 --> 00:27:34,129 [newswoman] The National Guard says it was conducting 870 00:27:34,162 --> 00:27:36,043 flare exercises outside Phoenix that night. 871 00:27:36,043 --> 00:27:36,998 flare exercises outside Phoenix that night. 872 00:27:37,031 --> 00:27:39,501 [Kean] You were considered to be crazy 873 00:27:39,534 --> 00:27:42,043 just for reporting something that was actually happening. 874 00:27:42,043 --> 00:27:43,305 just for reporting something that was actually happening. 875 00:27:43,338 --> 00:27:46,374 It was completely irrational. 876 00:27:47,442 --> 00:27:48,043 [Harris] Tales of aliens 877 00:27:48,043 --> 00:27:49,010 [Harris] Tales of aliens 878 00:27:49,043 --> 00:27:52,414 have been our first conspiracy tales. 879 00:27:52,447 --> 00:27:54,043 They were our first way of questioning 880 00:27:54,043 --> 00:27:54,216 They were our first way of questioning 881 00:27:54,249 --> 00:27:56,284 whether the government 882 00:27:56,317 --> 00:27:59,620 was, in fact, lying to us on a mass scale. 883 00:28:02,924 --> 00:28:05,060 Not just the Roswell story, 884 00:28:05,093 --> 00:28:06,043 which is obviously the most famous one, 885 00:28:06,043 --> 00:28:06,895 which is obviously the most famous one, 886 00:28:06,928 --> 00:28:08,797 but you have a number of other incidents like that 887 00:28:08,830 --> 00:28:11,533 in the 1950s. 888 00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:12,043 Just as the Cold War is starting, 889 00:28:12,043 --> 00:28:13,368 Just as the Cold War is starting, 890 00:28:13,401 --> 00:28:15,837 we start to see more an increasing prevalence 891 00:28:15,870 --> 00:28:18,006 not just of UFO narratives 892 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:18,043 but of spy narratives, of the sense 893 00:28:18,043 --> 00:28:20,408 but of spy narratives, of the sense 894 00:28:20,441 --> 00:28:22,444 that the government is acting with duplicity. 895 00:28:22,477 --> 00:28:24,043 This is absolutely untrue. 896 00:28:24,043 --> 00:28:24,579 This is absolutely untrue. 897 00:28:24,612 --> 00:28:26,381 We are not hiding anything. 898 00:28:26,414 --> 00:28:28,717 We have nothing to hide. 899 00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:30,043 ♪ intense, dramatic music ♪ 900 00:28:30,043 --> 00:28:30,418 ♪ intense, dramatic music ♪ 901 00:28:30,451 --> 00:28:32,053 [Harris] The rise 902 00:28:32,086 --> 00:28:35,957 of lack of faith in the government to tell us 903 00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:36,043 the truth coincides with the expansion of mass media 904 00:28:36,043 --> 00:28:40,629 the truth coincides with the expansion of mass media 905 00:28:40,662 --> 00:28:42,043 in a way where we're suddenly receiving 906 00:28:42,043 --> 00:28:42,798 in a way where we're suddenly receiving 907 00:28:42,831 --> 00:28:45,100 our information about the world 908 00:28:45,133 --> 00:28:48,043 through the television, through the radio. 909 00:28:48,043 --> 00:28:48,470 through the television, through the radio. 910 00:28:48,503 --> 00:28:50,105 [man] One thing is clear. 911 00:28:50,138 --> 00:28:52,741 You could not keep a spaceship a secret. 912 00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:54,043 Too many journalists could not be restrained 913 00:28:54,043 --> 00:28:55,177 Too many journalists could not be restrained 914 00:28:55,210 --> 00:28:57,312 from trumpeting one of the greatest news stories 915 00:28:57,345 --> 00:28:59,247 of all time. 916 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,043 [Harris] And, so, whatever authority 917 00:29:00,043 --> 00:29:01,082 [Harris] And, so, whatever authority 918 00:29:01,115 --> 00:29:04,252 the mainstream that has long denied the existence 919 00:29:04,285 --> 00:29:06,043 of these beings had 920 00:29:06,043 --> 00:29:06,588 of these beings had 921 00:29:06,621 --> 00:29:08,690 slowly began 922 00:29:08,723 --> 00:29:10,392 to slip away. 923 00:29:10,425 --> 00:29:11,860 Eventually, that authority 924 00:29:11,893 --> 00:29:12,043 breaks down completely with the Internet. 925 00:29:12,043 --> 00:29:14,029 breaks down completely with the Internet. 926 00:29:14,062 --> 00:29:15,964 -[man] I got it. -[woman] Oh, my gosh. 927 00:29:15,997 --> 00:29:18,043 -[man] Whoa. -[woman] What the hell? 928 00:29:18,043 --> 00:29:18,233 -[man] Whoa. -[woman] What the hell? 929 00:29:18,266 --> 00:29:19,701 [Harris] I think that we are, 930 00:29:19,734 --> 00:29:23,205 as a people, willing to believe 931 00:29:23,238 --> 00:29:24,043 almost anything. 932 00:29:24,043 --> 00:29:24,639 almost anything. 933 00:29:27,675 --> 00:29:30,043 Conspiracy theories or myth can take hold 934 00:29:30,043 --> 00:29:30,278 Conspiracy theories or myth can take hold 935 00:29:30,311 --> 00:29:33,748 using the possibility of UFOs existing 936 00:29:33,781 --> 00:29:35,584 as a way of doubting 937 00:29:35,617 --> 00:29:36,043 almost everything in our culture. 938 00:29:36,043 --> 00:29:37,819 almost everything in our culture. 939 00:29:42,790 --> 00:29:44,960 The fact that our government 940 00:29:44,993 --> 00:29:48,043 is now slowly doling out information 941 00:29:48,043 --> 00:29:49,431 is now slowly doling out information 942 00:29:49,464 --> 00:29:52,834 concerning potential evidence of alien existence, 943 00:29:52,867 --> 00:29:54,043 I think, only feeds into those narratives. 944 00:29:54,043 --> 00:29:56,003 I think, only feeds into those narratives. 945 00:30:00,008 --> 00:30:00,043 [newsman] United Airlines employees who swear 946 00:30:00,043 --> 00:30:01,643 [newsman] United Airlines employees who swear 947 00:30:01,676 --> 00:30:03,178 it was something otherworldly in the skies 948 00:30:03,211 --> 00:30:05,881 above Chicago's O'Hare Airport on November 7th, 949 00:30:05,914 --> 00:30:06,043 but neither the FAA nor indeed their own employer 950 00:30:06,043 --> 00:30:08,250 but neither the FAA nor indeed their own employer 951 00:30:08,283 --> 00:30:10,485 appear to be taking them seriously. 952 00:30:10,518 --> 00:30:12,043 [indistinct chatter] 953 00:30:12,043 --> 00:30:12,487 [indistinct chatter] 954 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,522 [Kean] The O'Hare incident 955 00:30:14,555 --> 00:30:17,826 is a really important case. 956 00:30:17,859 --> 00:30:18,043 [Olbermann] Our number one story in the countdown, 957 00:30:18,043 --> 00:30:19,060 [Olbermann] Our number one story in the countdown, 958 00:30:19,093 --> 00:30:20,262 unidentified flying objects 959 00:30:20,295 --> 00:30:21,429 from outer space. 960 00:30:21,462 --> 00:30:23,031 [Kean] The story broke 961 00:30:23,064 --> 00:30:24,043 in the Chicago Tribune in January, 962 00:30:24,043 --> 00:30:25,200 in the Chicago Tribune in January, 963 00:30:25,233 --> 00:30:27,168 so it was about two months later. 964 00:30:27,201 --> 00:30:29,170 [Olbermann] Chicago Tribune, interviewing 965 00:30:29,203 --> 00:30:30,043 several people anonymously, including maintenance workers, 966 00:30:30,043 --> 00:30:31,106 several people anonymously, including maintenance workers, 967 00:30:31,139 --> 00:30:33,275 baggage handlers and pilots 968 00:30:33,308 --> 00:30:36,043 who each and all describe a dark gray saucer-like object 969 00:30:36,043 --> 00:30:36,745 who each and all describe a dark gray saucer-like object 970 00:30:36,778 --> 00:30:38,813 that hovered low over Concourse 971 00:30:38,846 --> 00:30:41,116 before shooting off into the sky. 972 00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:42,043 [Kean] Most UFO sightings 973 00:30:42,043 --> 00:30:42,751 [Kean] Most UFO sightings 974 00:30:42,784 --> 00:30:45,654 are fairly quick. Something flies by, right? 975 00:30:45,687 --> 00:30:47,923 This was at least five minutes 976 00:30:47,956 --> 00:30:48,043 in the middle of the afternoon rush hour in the daylight. 977 00:30:48,043 --> 00:30:50,825 in the middle of the afternoon rush hour in the daylight. 978 00:30:50,858 --> 00:30:53,728 Pilots on the ground in their planes 979 00:30:53,761 --> 00:30:54,043 who were just taxiing in or out 980 00:30:54,043 --> 00:30:55,664 who were just taxiing in or out 981 00:30:55,697 --> 00:30:58,233 were looking, leaning out and looking at it. 982 00:30:58,266 --> 00:31:00,043 There was a lot of radio chatter about it. 983 00:31:00,043 --> 00:31:00,868 There was a lot of radio chatter about it. 984 00:31:13,748 --> 00:31:15,550 One of the managers from United Airlines 985 00:31:15,583 --> 00:31:17,953 called the tower and said, 986 00:31:17,986 --> 00:31:18,043 "Do you see that there's this disc-shaped object up there?" 987 00:31:18,043 --> 00:31:20,789 "Do you see that there's this disc-shaped object up there?" 988 00:31:20,822 --> 00:31:23,424 And it's a very interesting conversation. 989 00:31:42,577 --> 00:31:43,979 At one point, he says, 990 00:31:44,012 --> 00:31:45,480 "No, I don't see it, and if I did, 991 00:31:45,513 --> 00:31:47,248 I wouldn't report it anyway." 992 00:31:57,525 --> 00:31:59,294 The woman who called up called a second time, 993 00:31:59,327 --> 00:32:00,043 and she had to explain, "I'm not high. 994 00:32:00,043 --> 00:32:01,329 and she had to explain, "I'm not high. 995 00:32:01,362 --> 00:32:02,998 I haven't been drinking. 996 00:32:03,031 --> 00:32:06,043 There's this disc-shaped object. It's actually there." 997 00:32:06,043 --> 00:32:06,401 There's this disc-shaped object. It's actually there." 998 00:32:06,434 --> 00:32:09,938 But that conversation is very interesting 999 00:32:09,971 --> 00:32:12,043 because it shows the attitude of this. 1000 00:32:12,043 --> 00:32:12,173 because it shows the attitude of this. 1001 00:32:12,206 --> 00:32:14,775 I mean, this was a safety hazard. 1002 00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:47,075 The explanation that was provided by the FAA... 1003 00:32:47,108 --> 00:32:48,043 First, they said it was a-a weather phenomenon. 1004 00:32:48,043 --> 00:32:49,944 First, they said it was a-a weather phenomenon. 1005 00:32:49,977 --> 00:32:52,547 By "a weather phenomenon," they were probably referring 1006 00:32:52,580 --> 00:32:54,043 to what's called a hole punch cloud. 1007 00:32:54,043 --> 00:32:54,916 to what's called a hole punch cloud. 1008 00:32:54,949 --> 00:32:57,552 And this is a picture of a hole punch cloud. 1009 00:32:57,585 --> 00:33:00,043 Ice crystals that fall from one cloud 1010 00:33:00,043 --> 00:33:00,255 Ice crystals that fall from one cloud 1011 00:33:00,288 --> 00:33:03,625 to a cloud below, like a cloud bank below. 1012 00:33:03,658 --> 00:33:05,860 And then they melt a hole in the ice. 1013 00:33:05,893 --> 00:33:06,043 I mean, it's an absurd notion to think 1014 00:33:06,043 --> 00:33:09,164 I mean, it's an absurd notion to think 1015 00:33:09,197 --> 00:33:12,043 that these aviation people 1016 00:33:12,043 --> 00:33:13,001 that these aviation people 1017 00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:15,537 would look up at something like that and think that was 1018 00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:16,905 a metallic disc hovering 1019 00:33:16,938 --> 00:33:18,043 over the airport, you know? 1020 00:33:18,043 --> 00:33:18,939 over the airport, you know? 1021 00:33:20,041 --> 00:33:22,343 The pilots from United Airlines, 1022 00:33:22,376 --> 00:33:24,043 the employees, they were... 1023 00:33:24,043 --> 00:33:24,612 the employees, they were... 1024 00:33:24,645 --> 00:33:27,214 clear that they were not supposed to talk about this. 1025 00:33:28,216 --> 00:33:30,043 Literally not one witness 1026 00:33:30,043 --> 00:33:31,619 Literally not one witness 1027 00:33:31,652 --> 00:33:34,022 to this event would put their name on the record. 1028 00:33:34,055 --> 00:33:35,423 Not one. 1029 00:33:35,456 --> 00:33:36,043 [newsman] The FAA is still 1030 00:33:36,043 --> 00:33:37,425 [newsman] The FAA is still 1031 00:33:37,458 --> 00:33:39,894 pinning this to some kind of weather phenomenon, 1032 00:33:39,927 --> 00:33:42,043 that some lights from the airport in the overcast sky 1033 00:33:42,043 --> 00:33:42,564 that some lights from the airport in the overcast sky 1034 00:33:42,597 --> 00:33:44,766 somehow got together and created this image, 1035 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,202 but, uh, weather experts, 1036 00:33:47,235 --> 00:33:48,043 uh, astronomy experts, others that I've talked to 1037 00:33:48,043 --> 00:33:49,404 uh, astronomy experts, others that I've talked to 1038 00:33:49,437 --> 00:33:50,905 said that that's, uh, that's bunk. 1039 00:33:50,938 --> 00:33:53,241 [Kean] Somebody has an obligation 1040 00:33:53,274 --> 00:33:54,043 within the government. If it's not the FAA, 1041 00:33:54,043 --> 00:33:55,610 within the government. If it's not the FAA, 1042 00:33:55,643 --> 00:33:57,846 it's got to be someone else to deal with that, 1043 00:33:57,879 --> 00:33:59,681 to protect the-the aircraft that are around it, 1044 00:33:59,714 --> 00:34:00,043 to find out what it is. 1045 00:34:00,043 --> 00:34:01,649 to find out what it is. 1046 00:34:01,682 --> 00:34:03,785 [Olbermann] It seems to me that the likeliest conclusion 1047 00:34:03,818 --> 00:34:05,453 here is that 1048 00:34:05,486 --> 00:34:06,043 the aliens have landed many years ago in this cou... 1049 00:34:06,043 --> 00:34:07,222 the aliens have landed many years ago in this cou... 1050 00:34:07,255 --> 00:34:09,691 in this country, in this world with one goal in mind-- 1051 00:34:09,724 --> 00:34:11,626 to create conspiracy theories 1052 00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:12,043 and then just sit back and enjoy them. 1053 00:34:12,043 --> 00:34:13,061 and then just sit back and enjoy them. 1054 00:34:13,094 --> 00:34:14,529 ♪ whimsical music ♪ 1055 00:34:14,562 --> 00:34:16,564 [Kean] The acronym "UFO" 1056 00:34:16,597 --> 00:34:18,043 has come to be a real loaded term. 1057 00:34:18,043 --> 00:34:19,633 has come to be a real loaded term. 1058 00:34:22,603 --> 00:34:24,043 Unidentified flying object. 1059 00:34:24,043 --> 00:34:24,738 Unidentified flying object. 1060 00:34:25,506 --> 00:34:27,842 That's all it means. 1061 00:34:27,875 --> 00:34:30,043 The question "Do you believe in UFOs?" 1062 00:34:30,043 --> 00:34:30,745 The question "Do you believe in UFOs?" 1063 00:34:30,778 --> 00:34:32,113 really doesn't make any sense. 1064 00:34:32,146 --> 00:34:34,182 There's no issue of belief there. 1065 00:34:34,215 --> 00:34:36,043 The question is maybe, "What do you believe they are?" 1066 00:34:36,043 --> 00:34:37,919 The question is maybe, "What do you believe they are?" 1067 00:34:37,952 --> 00:34:39,854 But whether they exist 1068 00:34:39,887 --> 00:34:42,043 is not even a matter of belief. It's a fact. 1069 00:34:42,043 --> 00:34:42,623 is not even a matter of belief. It's a fact. 1070 00:34:47,862 --> 00:34:48,043 [newsman] On the record, 1071 00:34:48,043 --> 00:34:49,597 [newsman] On the record, 1072 00:34:49,630 --> 00:34:51,533 the Arizona National Guard, who would know 1073 00:34:51,566 --> 00:34:53,301 about military exercises and stuff, 1074 00:34:53,334 --> 00:34:54,043 says it has no explanation at all for those lights. 1075 00:34:54,043 --> 00:34:56,637 says it has no explanation at all for those lights. 1076 00:34:57,638 --> 00:34:59,474 Doesn't look like anything that I've seen. 1077 00:34:59,507 --> 00:35:00,043 Yeah. I haven't seen anything either. 1078 00:35:00,043 --> 00:35:01,075 Yeah. I haven't seen anything either. 1079 00:35:01,108 --> 00:35:02,410 -Strange. -Not picking anything up 1080 00:35:02,443 --> 00:35:03,478 -in the weather center either. -Yeah. 1081 00:35:03,511 --> 00:35:04,979 They say the craft was moving 1082 00:35:05,012 --> 00:35:06,043 very slowly and without any sound at all. 1083 00:35:06,043 --> 00:35:07,415 very slowly and without any sound at all. 1084 00:35:07,448 --> 00:35:09,350 The people that saw that believe 1085 00:35:09,383 --> 00:35:12,043 what they saw was an alien spacecraft. 1086 00:35:12,043 --> 00:35:12,086 what they saw was an alien spacecraft. 1087 00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:14,289 Now Governor Symington himself has launched 1088 00:35:14,322 --> 00:35:16,090 an official investigation. 1089 00:35:16,123 --> 00:35:18,043 The video that I saw a quick glimpse of was intriguing. 1090 00:35:18,043 --> 00:35:19,661 The video that I saw a quick glimpse of was intriguing. 1091 00:35:19,694 --> 00:35:21,596 Um, so I'm going to order a, uh, full, 1092 00:35:21,629 --> 00:35:23,798 you know, investigation of this through DPS. 1093 00:35:23,831 --> 00:35:24,043 We're going to make all the necessary inquiries, 1094 00:35:24,043 --> 00:35:25,500 We're going to make all the necessary inquiries, 1095 00:35:25,533 --> 00:35:27,035 and we're going to get to the bottom of it. 1096 00:35:27,068 --> 00:35:28,836 We're going to find out if was a UFO. 1097 00:35:33,874 --> 00:35:35,877 Uh, you can sit down. Gonna put a little bit of the deshine 1098 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:36,043 -on you if that's okay. -Okey doke. 1099 00:35:36,043 --> 00:35:38,146 -on you if that's okay. -Okey doke. 1100 00:35:38,179 --> 00:35:40,348 [James Heiler] You know, one of the things 1101 00:35:40,381 --> 00:35:42,043 that you notice about media is they have some favorite foods. 1102 00:35:42,043 --> 00:35:44,586 that you notice about media is they have some favorite foods. 1103 00:35:44,619 --> 00:35:48,043 One of those is sex scandal, and another one is UFOs. 1104 00:35:48,043 --> 00:35:48,355 One of those is sex scandal, and another one is UFOs. 1105 00:35:51,225 --> 00:35:53,194 We had phone calls 1106 00:35:53,227 --> 00:35:54,043 coming in from all over the world. 1107 00:35:54,043 --> 00:35:55,196 coming in from all over the world. 1108 00:35:55,229 --> 00:35:56,598 [man] It was huge across, 1109 00:35:56,631 --> 00:35:58,533 and there were bright lights. 1110 00:35:58,566 --> 00:36:00,043 [man 2] It was just so bright. 1111 00:36:00,043 --> 00:36:00,168 [man 2] It was just so bright. 1112 00:36:00,201 --> 00:36:02,036 I, uh, saw five bright luminous objects, 1113 00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:03,972 a straight line heading south. 1114 00:36:04,005 --> 00:36:06,043 [Heiler] We realized we weren't really gonna be able 1115 00:36:06,043 --> 00:36:06,274 [Heiler] We realized we weren't really gonna be able 1116 00:36:06,307 --> 00:36:09,843 to satisfy people's longings for answers. 1117 00:36:10,845 --> 00:36:12,043 We didn't really hold adequate means of investigating it 1118 00:36:12,043 --> 00:36:15,049 We didn't really hold adequate means of investigating it 1119 00:36:15,082 --> 00:36:17,084 as a state government apparat. 1120 00:36:20,888 --> 00:36:23,558 [Barwood] Yeah. We had so many people 1121 00:36:23,591 --> 00:36:24,043 that we sat with and talked to, and they all described 1122 00:36:24,043 --> 00:36:26,995 that we sat with and talked to, and they all described 1123 00:36:27,028 --> 00:36:29,463 exactly the same thing. 1124 00:36:31,399 --> 00:36:33,401 That I talked to? And, well... 1125 00:36:33,434 --> 00:36:36,043 I talked... It was around 700, you know, total. 1126 00:36:36,043 --> 00:36:36,404 I talked... It was around 700, you know, total. 1127 00:36:36,437 --> 00:36:38,339 She had interviewed 700 people? 1128 00:36:38,372 --> 00:36:41,776 That, that sounds like an overwhelming task. 1129 00:36:41,809 --> 00:36:42,043 Did you remember her investigating it? 1130 00:36:42,043 --> 00:36:43,544 Did you remember her investigating it? 1131 00:36:43,577 --> 00:36:46,080 No, I'm not sure how she would have the wherewithal... 1132 00:36:46,113 --> 00:36:47,382 How would she have the wherewithal? 1133 00:36:47,415 --> 00:36:48,043 ...to interview 700 people, or 1134 00:36:48,043 --> 00:36:48,883 ...to interview 700 people, or 1135 00:36:48,916 --> 00:36:51,052 what, if any, real value you would... 1136 00:36:51,085 --> 00:36:52,887 you would glean from that. 1137 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,043 That's probably what he would have to say. 1138 00:36:54,043 --> 00:36:54,822 That's probably what he would have to say. 1139 00:36:54,855 --> 00:36:57,058 What else is he going to say? 1140 00:36:57,091 --> 00:36:59,494 Is he going to say, "Oh, yeah, I should have looked into it"? 1141 00:36:59,527 --> 00:37:00,043 -When he didn't. -He really couldn't step up. 1142 00:37:00,043 --> 00:37:03,531 -When he didn't. -He really couldn't step up. 1143 00:37:03,564 --> 00:37:06,043 Probably, he feels bad that she did and was taking the grief. 1144 00:37:06,043 --> 00:37:07,435 Probably, he feels bad that she did and was taking the grief. 1145 00:37:07,468 --> 00:37:09,871 [newsman] The ridicule started almost immediately. 1146 00:37:09,904 --> 00:37:12,043 This cartoon was published by The Arizona Republic. 1147 00:37:12,043 --> 00:37:13,174 This cartoon was published by The Arizona Republic. 1148 00:37:13,207 --> 00:37:14,475 [Barwood] They saw how much 1149 00:37:14,508 --> 00:37:16,277 ridicule I got. 1150 00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:17,612 [laughing] Maybe that's why they didn't want to do that. 1151 00:37:17,645 --> 00:37:18,043 [Siavelis] And so, therefore, 1152 00:37:18,043 --> 00:37:20,548 [Siavelis] And so, therefore, 1153 00:37:20,581 --> 00:37:22,917 the best thing to do is to put it to bed. 1154 00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:24,043 [horns honking] 1155 00:37:24,043 --> 00:37:25,053 [horns honking] 1156 00:37:25,086 --> 00:37:27,155 And how do you put things to bed? 1157 00:37:27,188 --> 00:37:30,043 You ridicule anybody that's involved 1158 00:37:30,043 --> 00:37:30,992 You ridicule anybody that's involved 1159 00:37:31,025 --> 00:37:33,561 so you try to kill the story. 1160 00:37:33,594 --> 00:37:36,043 That's what happened to so-called "Phoenix Lights." 1161 00:37:36,043 --> 00:37:37,931 That's what happened to so-called "Phoenix Lights." 1162 00:37:38,966 --> 00:37:40,768 [newsman] That's right. 1163 00:37:40,801 --> 00:37:42,043 Now the governor is holding a press conference 1164 00:37:42,043 --> 00:37:42,470 Now the governor is holding a press conference 1165 00:37:42,503 --> 00:37:43,905 at this very moment. 1166 00:37:43,938 --> 00:37:45,340 In fact, at the state capitol. 1167 00:37:45,373 --> 00:37:48,043 Reportedly, he says that the DPS has already 1168 00:37:48,043 --> 00:37:48,109 Reportedly, he says that the DPS has already 1169 00:37:48,142 --> 00:37:50,978 turned up startling new information about this case. 1170 00:37:51,011 --> 00:37:53,448 [Barwood] The governor had called 1171 00:37:53,481 --> 00:37:54,043 an emergency news conference. 1172 00:37:54,043 --> 00:37:56,351 an emergency news conference. 1173 00:37:56,384 --> 00:37:59,487 The only time you do an emergency news conference is 1174 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,043 when it's a threat to life, health and all that stuff. 1175 00:38:00,043 --> 00:38:02,089 when it's a threat to life, health and all that stuff. 1176 00:38:07,027 --> 00:38:09,997 Yes, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. 1177 00:38:12,099 --> 00:38:13,768 You know, you'd have to remind me. I'm... 1178 00:38:13,801 --> 00:38:15,369 It's been so long ago. 1179 00:38:17,338 --> 00:38:18,043 You have the advantage of having 1180 00:38:18,043 --> 00:38:19,440 You have the advantage of having 1181 00:38:19,473 --> 00:38:21,542 the record in front of you. I don't... 1182 00:38:21,575 --> 00:38:23,511 I just remember kind of the highlights 1183 00:38:23,544 --> 00:38:24,043 and the impetus for the, um... 1184 00:38:24,043 --> 00:38:27,849 and the impetus for the, um... 1185 00:38:27,882 --> 00:38:30,043 the what I call "the alien caper," and, uh-- 1186 00:38:30,043 --> 00:38:30,818 the what I call "the alien caper," and, uh-- 1187 00:38:31,819 --> 00:38:33,721 Sure. 1188 00:38:36,056 --> 00:38:38,626 I issued a call for an investigation 1189 00:38:38,659 --> 00:38:41,062 by the Arizona Department of Public Safety, 1190 00:38:41,095 --> 00:38:42,043 and I'm happy to report we already are getting results. 1191 00:38:42,043 --> 00:38:44,632 and I'm happy to report we already are getting results. 1192 00:38:44,665 --> 00:38:46,567 Let me just say that I believe it's a serious offense 1193 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,043 for anyone-- human, space alien, or otherwise-- 1194 00:38:48,043 --> 00:38:50,805 for anyone-- human, space alien, or otherwise-- 1195 00:38:50,838 --> 00:38:54,008 to engage in mysterious activity in our nighttime skies. 1196 00:38:54,041 --> 00:38:54,043 [Barwood] I thought, 1197 00:38:54,043 --> 00:38:55,443 [Barwood] I thought, 1198 00:38:55,476 --> 00:38:57,545 "Oh, good, he's going to investigate." 1199 00:38:57,578 --> 00:38:59,480 We may all look upon the guilty party. 1200 00:39:00,448 --> 00:39:02,450 [laughter] 1201 00:39:02,483 --> 00:39:04,485 Hey, don't get him too close to me, please. It's... 1202 00:39:04,518 --> 00:39:06,043 -[laughter] -You know. [clears throat] 1203 00:39:06,043 --> 00:39:07,188 -[laughter] -You know. [clears throat] 1204 00:39:07,221 --> 00:39:09,123 [laughter] 1205 00:39:09,156 --> 00:39:11,993 This just goes to show that you guys are entirely too serious. 1206 00:39:12,026 --> 00:39:12,043 [laughter] 1207 00:39:12,043 --> 00:39:13,494 [laughter] 1208 00:39:13,527 --> 00:39:15,562 [applause] 1209 00:39:18,732 --> 00:39:20,902 [laughter] 1210 00:39:20,935 --> 00:39:23,671 -[applause] -Thank you. Thank you. 1211 00:39:23,704 --> 00:39:24,043 [Barwood] Everybody was so angry. 1212 00:39:24,043 --> 00:39:26,974 [Barwood] Everybody was so angry. 1213 00:39:27,007 --> 00:39:29,677 And-and I said, "I don't know what to tell you. 1214 00:39:29,710 --> 00:39:30,043 You know, it's... 1215 00:39:30,043 --> 00:39:30,711 You know, it's... 1216 00:39:30,744 --> 00:39:32,413 it's over." 1217 00:39:32,446 --> 00:39:34,015 -Mocked everybody. -Mocked us, yeah. 1218 00:39:34,048 --> 00:39:35,249 You got to understand... you got to understand that 1219 00:39:35,282 --> 00:39:36,043 when it's your own state's governor 1220 00:39:36,043 --> 00:39:37,018 when it's your own state's governor 1221 00:39:37,051 --> 00:39:39,253 that's coming out and with a fake alien on the podium. 1222 00:39:39,286 --> 00:39:41,589 -Yeah. -That totally discredits any... 1223 00:39:41,622 --> 00:39:42,043 See, even he didn't want to admit it right away. 1224 00:39:42,043 --> 00:39:43,024 See, even he didn't want to admit it right away. 1225 00:39:43,057 --> 00:39:44,225 That totally discredits anything 1226 00:39:44,258 --> 00:39:45,760 -that anybody saw. -Yeah. 1227 00:39:45,793 --> 00:39:48,043 We weren't trying to ridicule people's concerns, 1228 00:39:48,043 --> 00:39:48,429 We weren't trying to ridicule people's concerns, 1229 00:39:48,462 --> 00:39:51,532 but there was that element of building hysteria, 1230 00:39:51,565 --> 00:39:53,201 which really needed to be dealt with. 1231 00:39:53,234 --> 00:39:54,043 I was 12, so imagine that age, too, is, "You... 1232 00:39:54,043 --> 00:39:56,370 I was 12, so imagine that age, too, is, "You... 1233 00:39:56,403 --> 00:39:58,539 -Mm-hmm. -I saw... I saw a UFO, guys." 1234 00:39:58,572 --> 00:39:59,907 I mean, that's a different conversation 1235 00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:00,043 when you're that age. 1236 00:40:00,043 --> 00:40:01,142 when you're that age. 1237 00:40:01,175 --> 00:40:02,677 All right, our own governor, 1238 00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:04,178 who many people supported at the time... 1239 00:40:04,211 --> 00:40:05,480 -Mm-hmm. -...is going out 1240 00:40:05,513 --> 00:40:06,043 and mocking what I saw. 1241 00:40:06,043 --> 00:40:06,814 and mocking what I saw. 1242 00:40:06,847 --> 00:40:08,783 I kept to myself. I-I didn't... [stammers] 1243 00:40:08,816 --> 00:40:11,619 Absolutely a stigma and I don't know why. 1244 00:40:11,652 --> 00:40:12,043 I don't know why it's there. 1245 00:40:12,043 --> 00:40:13,454 I don't know why it's there. 1246 00:40:13,487 --> 00:40:15,089 But we're gonna not talk about this right now, 1247 00:40:15,122 --> 00:40:17,057 because clearly it's just a joke to everybody. 1248 00:40:18,125 --> 00:40:19,627 I'm sorry if it offended some people, 1249 00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:21,162 but it was a lot of fun. 1250 00:40:21,195 --> 00:40:23,164 There you go. This is your trophy, 1251 00:40:23,197 --> 00:40:24,043 -and you give it to Joe, okay? -Okay. 1252 00:40:24,043 --> 00:40:24,866 -and you give it to Joe, okay? -Okay. 1253 00:40:24,899 --> 00:40:26,100 I'll see you all later. Thank you very much. 1254 00:40:26,133 --> 00:40:27,401 [laughter] 1255 00:40:32,406 --> 00:40:34,008 [Kean] When you're in a position of authority, 1256 00:40:34,041 --> 00:40:35,743 and you can't explain something 1257 00:40:35,776 --> 00:40:36,043 to your constituents, it could panic people, 1258 00:40:36,043 --> 00:40:39,514 to your constituents, it could panic people, 1259 00:40:39,547 --> 00:40:41,014 it could frighten people. 1260 00:40:42,016 --> 00:40:42,043 So one of the tools in the toolbox, when 1261 00:40:42,043 --> 00:40:45,386 So one of the tools in the toolbox, when 1262 00:40:45,419 --> 00:40:47,755 they're forced to talk about it, is to ridicule it. 1263 00:40:47,788 --> 00:40:48,043 It's a way of minimizing its significance, you know? 1264 00:40:48,043 --> 00:40:52,493 It's a way of minimizing its significance, you know? 1265 00:40:52,526 --> 00:40:54,043 "These are little green men. Ha, ha, ha." 1266 00:40:54,043 --> 00:40:54,862 "These are little green men. Ha, ha, ha." 1267 00:40:54,895 --> 00:40:57,665 That's the problem with the term "UFO." 1268 00:40:57,698 --> 00:40:59,367 It's sort of 1269 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,043 been contaminated. 1270 00:41:00,043 --> 00:41:00,735 been contaminated. 1271 00:41:00,768 --> 00:41:02,103 [newsman] If the Air Force 1272 00:41:02,136 --> 00:41:03,538 had nothing to hide, 1273 00:41:03,571 --> 00:41:05,106 Frank Mannor, the Michigan farmer, 1274 00:41:05,139 --> 00:41:06,043 who had brought in the first report, 1275 00:41:06,043 --> 00:41:06,607 who had brought in the first report, 1276 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,442 was caught in the middle. 1277 00:41:08,475 --> 00:41:10,177 He was mad. 1278 00:41:10,210 --> 00:41:12,043 Are you sorry now that you did tell people what you saw? 1279 00:41:12,043 --> 00:41:12,313 Are you sorry now that you did tell people what you saw? 1280 00:41:12,346 --> 00:41:14,382 Yes, I am. I am... I'm sorry because it... 1281 00:41:14,415 --> 00:41:17,818 Not that it's not the truth, but it's just the idea, 1282 00:41:17,851 --> 00:41:18,043 the-the reaction of the people. 1283 00:41:18,043 --> 00:41:19,053 the-the reaction of the people. 1284 00:41:19,086 --> 00:41:21,889 They think you're a... a nut. 1285 00:41:21,922 --> 00:41:24,043 Tell you the truth. That's just what they figure you are. 1286 00:41:24,043 --> 00:41:24,091 Tell you the truth. That's just what they figure you are. 1287 00:41:24,124 --> 00:41:26,928 [Kean] Once Project Blue Book 1288 00:41:26,961 --> 00:41:30,043 shut down in 1970, the whole thing kind of went quiet. 1289 00:41:30,043 --> 00:41:30,765 shut down in 1970, the whole thing kind of went quiet. 1290 00:41:30,798 --> 00:41:32,366 [military official] The conclusions 1291 00:41:32,399 --> 00:41:35,903 of Project Blue Book were: no UFO reported 1292 00:41:35,936 --> 00:41:36,043 has ever given any indication 1293 00:41:36,043 --> 00:41:37,872 has ever given any indication 1294 00:41:37,905 --> 00:41:39,941 of threat to our national security. 1295 00:41:39,974 --> 00:41:42,043 There is no evidence submitted 1296 00:41:42,043 --> 00:41:43,277 There is no evidence submitted 1297 00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:45,813 that sightings represent technological developments 1298 00:41:45,846 --> 00:41:48,043 beyond the range of present-day scientific knowledge, and 1299 00:41:48,043 --> 00:41:50,251 beyond the range of present-day scientific knowledge, and 1300 00:41:50,284 --> 00:41:52,119 there is no evidence indicating 1301 00:41:52,152 --> 00:41:54,043 that these unidentified objects are extraterrestrial. 1302 00:41:54,043 --> 00:41:55,957 that these unidentified objects are extraterrestrial. 1303 00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:58,626 [Greenewald] That report that they produced was known 1304 00:41:58,659 --> 00:42:00,043 infamously as the Condon Report. 1305 00:42:00,043 --> 00:42:01,262 infamously as the Condon Report. 1306 00:42:01,295 --> 00:42:02,863 Now why is this important? 1307 00:42:02,896 --> 00:42:06,043 Because they literally shot down the topic of UFOs, 1308 00:42:06,043 --> 00:42:06,901 Because they literally shot down the topic of UFOs, 1309 00:42:06,934 --> 00:42:09,103 said it was a waste of time and money, 1310 00:42:09,136 --> 00:42:11,706 and said, "Shut the investigations down. 1311 00:42:11,739 --> 00:42:12,043 It's useless." 1312 00:42:12,043 --> 00:42:13,841 It's useless." 1313 00:42:13,874 --> 00:42:17,478 [Kean] Think about the opportunities that were lost 1314 00:42:17,511 --> 00:42:18,043 for taking it seriously and for investigating it. 1315 00:42:18,043 --> 00:42:19,647 for taking it seriously and for investigating it. 1316 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,582 [newswoman] The Air Force says 1317 00:42:21,615 --> 00:42:24,043 it doesn't investigate unknown objects anymore. 1318 00:42:24,043 --> 00:42:24,085 it doesn't investigate unknown objects anymore. 1319 00:42:24,118 --> 00:42:27,588 NORAD told UPN News 13 that it only tracks objects 1320 00:42:27,621 --> 00:42:29,590 that originate in our atmosphere. 1321 00:42:29,623 --> 00:42:30,043 The CIA, some other intelligence agency, 1322 00:42:30,043 --> 00:42:31,158 The CIA, some other intelligence agency, 1323 00:42:31,191 --> 00:42:33,127 well, if they're investigating, 1324 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,128 we don't know about it, and chances are, we never will. 1325 00:42:38,866 --> 00:42:41,235 [Greenewald] The U.S. government always maintained to me 1326 00:42:41,268 --> 00:42:42,043 that they had no interest in UFOs. 1327 00:42:42,043 --> 00:42:43,604 that they had no interest in UFOs. 1328 00:42:43,637 --> 00:42:45,840 But back in 2008, 1329 00:42:45,873 --> 00:42:47,908 I had discovered a United States Air Force manual. 1330 00:42:47,941 --> 00:42:48,043 And there was a whole section 1331 00:42:48,043 --> 00:42:50,444 And there was a whole section 1332 00:42:50,477 --> 00:42:53,714 about unidentified flying objects. 1333 00:42:53,747 --> 00:42:54,043 On not only how to report 'em, but where to report 'em to, 1334 00:42:54,043 --> 00:42:56,817 On not only how to report 'em, but where to report 'em to, 1335 00:42:56,850 --> 00:42:58,452 and the two places that are not subject 1336 00:42:58,485 --> 00:42:59,620 to the Freedom of Information Act-- 1337 00:42:59,653 --> 00:43:00,043 one being the White House, 1338 00:43:00,043 --> 00:43:01,622 one being the White House, 1339 00:43:01,655 --> 00:43:03,658 the second being the NORAD installation-- 1340 00:43:03,691 --> 00:43:06,043 is on the receiving end of whatever these UFO reports are. 1341 00:43:06,043 --> 00:43:07,395 is on the receiving end of whatever these UFO reports are. 1342 00:43:07,428 --> 00:43:08,729 And I tried to access the documents, 1343 00:43:08,762 --> 00:43:11,098 but of course they said, "Nope, sorry. 1344 00:43:11,131 --> 00:43:12,043 We're not subject to the Freedom of Information Act." 1345 00:43:12,043 --> 00:43:13,134 We're not subject to the Freedom of Information Act." 1346 00:43:13,167 --> 00:43:15,770 How convenient that they send the UFO records 1347 00:43:15,803 --> 00:43:17,104 to that one place. 1348 00:43:17,137 --> 00:43:18,043 [newsman] Believers have always maintained 1349 00:43:18,043 --> 00:43:19,240 [newsman] Believers have always maintained 1350 00:43:19,273 --> 00:43:22,143 the government knows more than it claims about UFOs 1351 00:43:22,176 --> 00:43:23,811 and doesn't always tell the truth. 1352 00:43:23,844 --> 00:43:24,043 The latest government admissions concede both points 1353 00:43:24,043 --> 00:43:26,647 The latest government admissions concede both points 1354 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,043 and do little, if anything, to settle the UFO debate. 1355 00:43:30,043 --> 00:43:30,083 and do little, if anything, to settle the UFO debate. 1356 00:43:31,085 --> 00:43:33,120 [Barwood] About the Phoenix Lights, 1357 00:43:33,153 --> 00:43:36,043 I'm extremely disappointed that nobody's taken this on. 1358 00:43:36,043 --> 00:43:37,692 I'm extremely disappointed that nobody's taken this on. 1359 00:43:37,725 --> 00:43:41,829 I think that the governor was interested in all of it. 1360 00:43:41,862 --> 00:43:42,043 When you look at the press conference that he did, 1361 00:43:42,043 --> 00:43:45,499 When you look at the press conference that he did, 1362 00:43:45,532 --> 00:43:48,043 you can see he was truly uncomfortable, and 1363 00:43:48,043 --> 00:43:48,869 you can see he was truly uncomfortable, and 1364 00:43:48,902 --> 00:43:51,372 I think it was because he was not comfortable with that. 1365 00:43:51,405 --> 00:43:54,008 I think he really did want to look into it. 1366 00:43:54,041 --> 00:43:54,043 There is no way 1367 00:43:54,043 --> 00:43:56,010 There is no way 1368 00:43:56,043 --> 00:43:59,380 that he orchestrated that. 1369 00:43:59,413 --> 00:44:00,043 And I said, "There's something else going on here." 1370 00:44:00,043 --> 00:44:01,849 And I said, "There's something else going on here." 1371 00:44:01,882 --> 00:44:05,886 My speculation is, a deal had to be made. 1372 00:44:05,919 --> 00:44:06,043 ♪ dramatic music ♪ 1373 00:44:06,043 --> 00:44:07,188 ♪ dramatic music ♪ 1374 00:44:07,221 --> 00:44:10,891 ♪♪♪♪♪ 1375 00:44:10,924 --> 00:44:12,043 [newsman] We are now less than 12 hours away 1376 00:44:12,043 --> 00:44:13,227 [newsman] We are now less than 12 hours away 1377 00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:15,830 from Governor Symington's criminal trial. 1378 00:44:15,863 --> 00:44:18,043 The governor is on trial for 22 fraud counts. 1379 00:44:18,043 --> 00:44:19,834 The governor is on trial for 22 fraud counts. 1380 00:44:19,867 --> 00:44:22,203 20 of those counts involve falsifying financial statements 1381 00:44:22,236 --> 00:44:24,043 to federally insured banks. 1382 00:44:24,043 --> 00:44:24,972 to federally insured banks. 1383 00:44:25,005 --> 00:44:26,741 [Heiler] The trial was the culmination 1384 00:44:26,774 --> 00:44:30,043 of seven and a half years of investigation 1385 00:44:30,043 --> 00:44:30,711 of seven and a half years of investigation 1386 00:44:30,744 --> 00:44:34,715 of Fife Symington's private life before becoming governor. 1387 00:44:34,748 --> 00:44:36,043 Then it morphed into a criminal investigation. 1388 00:44:36,043 --> 00:44:38,686 Then it morphed into a criminal investigation. 1389 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,388 [Barwood] He had been in court. 1390 00:44:41,421 --> 00:44:42,043 People that were in court, watching this whole thing, said, 1391 00:44:42,043 --> 00:44:44,592 People that were in court, watching this whole thing, said, 1392 00:44:44,625 --> 00:44:47,561 he was called out to go into a private meeting. 1393 00:44:47,594 --> 00:44:48,043 And then, the next thing is 1394 00:44:48,043 --> 00:44:50,364 And then, the next thing is 1395 00:44:50,397 --> 00:44:52,900 this emergency press conference. 1396 00:44:52,933 --> 00:44:54,043 So somebody else said, 1397 00:44:54,043 --> 00:44:56,937 So somebody else said, 1398 00:44:56,970 --> 00:44:59,073 in my opinion, okay, 1399 00:44:59,106 --> 00:45:00,043 not-not fact but my opinion, 1400 00:45:00,043 --> 00:45:02,143 not-not fact but my opinion, 1401 00:45:02,176 --> 00:45:05,612 "If you make this a joke, we'll dismiss the charges." 1402 00:45:09,716 --> 00:45:12,043 Yeah, I don't... I wonder where that came from. 1403 00:45:12,043 --> 00:45:12,253 Yeah, I don't... I wonder where that came from. 1404 00:45:12,286 --> 00:45:14,021 Well, if I understand your question correctly, 1405 00:45:14,054 --> 00:45:17,124 you're, you're suggesting some people believe 1406 00:45:17,157 --> 00:45:18,043 that we somehow did this 1407 00:45:18,043 --> 00:45:19,460 that we somehow did this 1408 00:45:19,493 --> 00:45:22,263 in league with government authorities... 1409 00:45:22,296 --> 00:45:24,043 -Oh. -to mock the idea 1410 00:45:24,043 --> 00:45:25,366 -Oh. -to mock the idea 1411 00:45:25,399 --> 00:45:28,635 of those lights being extraterrestrial. 1412 00:45:31,605 --> 00:45:35,576 No, there was no conspiracy behind it at all. No. 1413 00:45:35,609 --> 00:45:36,043 We-we weren't trying to cover up anything. 1414 00:45:36,043 --> 00:45:37,444 We-we weren't trying to cover up anything. 1415 00:45:37,477 --> 00:45:40,614 We were... we were just trying to make light of it. 1416 00:45:40,647 --> 00:45:42,043 ♪ ominous music ♪ 1417 00:45:42,043 --> 00:45:42,082 ♪ ominous music ♪ 1418 00:45:42,115 --> 00:45:44,451 [Barwood] He was serious 1419 00:45:44,484 --> 00:45:46,921 that he was going to do an investigation, 1420 00:45:46,954 --> 00:45:48,043 and then it turned into a joke. 1421 00:45:48,043 --> 00:45:49,490 and then it turned into a joke. 1422 00:45:49,523 --> 00:45:53,027 Somebody somewhere has got to be afraid of the truth coming out. 1423 00:45:53,060 --> 00:45:54,043 That's it. 1424 00:45:54,043 --> 00:45:55,562 That's it. 1425 00:45:56,530 --> 00:45:58,132 And why? 1426 00:45:58,165 --> 00:46:00,043 [Heiler] Neither then or now do I have any 1427 00:46:00,043 --> 00:46:01,268 [Heiler] Neither then or now do I have any 1428 00:46:01,301 --> 00:46:04,471 plausible explanation more than 1429 00:46:04,504 --> 00:46:06,043 anyone might speculate about as to what those lights were. 1430 00:46:06,043 --> 00:46:08,609 anyone might speculate about as to what those lights were. 1431 00:46:08,642 --> 00:46:11,512 I felt then as I do now that what 1432 00:46:11,545 --> 00:46:12,043 really caused a lot of the "hullabaloo," 1433 00:46:12,043 --> 00:46:14,515 really caused a lot of the "hullabaloo," 1434 00:46:14,548 --> 00:46:17,651 to use the governor's word, and the speculation is that 1435 00:46:17,684 --> 00:46:18,043 the only information provided 1436 00:46:18,043 --> 00:46:19,520 the only information provided 1437 00:46:19,553 --> 00:46:21,755 by the authorities was implausible 1438 00:46:21,788 --> 00:46:24,043 to anybody who saw the-the lights. 1439 00:46:24,043 --> 00:46:24,692 to anybody who saw the-the lights. 1440 00:46:24,725 --> 00:46:27,962 So I think government makes things worse 1441 00:46:27,995 --> 00:46:29,964 when it operates that way. 1442 00:46:29,997 --> 00:46:30,043 And why they do that, I don't know. 1443 00:46:30,043 --> 00:46:32,366 And why they do that, I don't know. 1444 00:46:32,399 --> 00:46:34,768 I don't know if it's just bureaucratic obtuseness 1445 00:46:34,801 --> 00:46:36,043 or if it's some part of a-a larger attempt 1446 00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:38,105 or if it's some part of a-a larger attempt 1447 00:46:38,138 --> 00:46:42,043 to deflect attention from things that are meant to remain secret. 1448 00:46:42,043 --> 00:46:42,676 to deflect attention from things that are meant to remain secret. 1449 00:46:42,709 --> 00:46:46,680 My best guess at it was it was some sort 1450 00:46:46,713 --> 00:46:48,043 of high-altitude stealth technology 1451 00:46:48,043 --> 00:46:48,883 of high-altitude stealth technology 1452 00:46:48,916 --> 00:46:51,585 that we didn't want known. 1453 00:46:51,618 --> 00:46:54,043 ♪♪♪♪♪ 1454 00:46:54,043 --> 00:46:54,255 ♪♪♪♪♪ 1455 00:46:54,288 --> 00:46:55,856 You and I will always disagree on this, 1456 00:46:55,889 --> 00:46:58,659 but there's no way that that was a B-2... 1457 00:46:58,692 --> 00:47:00,043 a B-2 bomber or a stealth bomber. 1458 00:47:00,043 --> 00:47:01,161 a B-2 bomber or a stealth bomber. 1459 00:47:01,194 --> 00:47:03,030 This object was big and close. 1460 00:47:03,063 --> 00:47:05,833 And you think it was a single object for sure? 1461 00:47:05,866 --> 00:47:06,043 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1462 00:47:06,043 --> 00:47:07,167 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1463 00:47:23,917 --> 00:47:24,043 [Watson] There's no way 1464 00:47:24,043 --> 00:47:26,186 [Watson] There's no way 1465 00:47:26,219 --> 00:47:29,723 that something like that's man-made that we know of. 1466 00:47:29,756 --> 00:47:30,043 [woman] Right. That's right. 1467 00:47:30,043 --> 00:47:31,191 [woman] Right. That's right. 1468 00:47:31,224 --> 00:47:33,394 Now I don't know if it could have been 1469 00:47:33,427 --> 00:47:34,895 extraterrestrial, whatever. 1470 00:47:34,928 --> 00:47:36,043 Regardless, it is what it is. 1471 00:47:36,043 --> 00:47:36,697 Regardless, it is what it is. 1472 00:47:36,730 --> 00:47:39,400 We saw what we saw. It was giant, quiet. 1473 00:47:39,433 --> 00:47:42,043 Moved extremely fast, and was amazing. 1474 00:47:42,043 --> 00:47:44,171 Moved extremely fast, and was amazing. 1475 00:47:44,204 --> 00:47:46,173 ♪ dramatic music ♪ 1476 00:47:46,206 --> 00:47:47,608 ♪♪♪♪♪ 1477 00:47:47,641 --> 00:47:48,043 [Pasulka] There's a creation of discourse 1478 00:47:48,043 --> 00:47:49,443 [Pasulka] There's a creation of discourse 1479 00:47:49,476 --> 00:47:51,411 around these events. 1480 00:47:53,113 --> 00:47:54,043 Pop culture today is gonna represent 1481 00:47:54,043 --> 00:47:55,215 Pop culture today is gonna represent 1482 00:47:55,248 --> 00:47:58,786 these "UFO events," for want of a better word, 1483 00:47:58,819 --> 00:48:00,043 as something quite different 1484 00:48:00,043 --> 00:48:00,321 as something quite different 1485 00:48:00,354 --> 00:48:02,489 than how the people experience them. 1486 00:48:02,522 --> 00:48:04,892 [man] Wow. Look at this here. These three things. 1487 00:48:04,925 --> 00:48:06,043 -[man 2] Really? -[woman] What is it? 1488 00:48:06,043 --> 00:48:07,161 -[man 2] Really? -[woman] What is it? 1489 00:48:07,194 --> 00:48:09,496 [Pasulka] Remember, I'm a historian of Catholicism. 1490 00:48:09,529 --> 00:48:11,198 So, in the 1980s, 1491 00:48:11,231 --> 00:48:12,043 Pope John Paul II wrote a very interesting teaching 1492 00:48:12,043 --> 00:48:14,268 Pope John Paul II wrote a very interesting teaching 1493 00:48:14,301 --> 00:48:15,903 on the angels 1494 00:48:15,936 --> 00:48:17,104 to his bishops. It's called 1495 00:48:17,137 --> 00:48:18,043 "The Catechesis on the Angels." 1496 00:48:18,043 --> 00:48:18,939 "The Catechesis on the Angels." 1497 00:48:18,972 --> 00:48:22,710 And he basically says, these were invisible beings, 1498 00:48:22,743 --> 00:48:24,043 and people don't believe in them anymore, 1499 00:48:24,043 --> 00:48:26,080 and people don't believe in them anymore, 1500 00:48:26,113 --> 00:48:30,043 and they even denied them during Jesus's time, Jesus's era. 1501 00:48:30,043 --> 00:48:30,484 and they even denied them during Jesus's time, Jesus's era. 1502 00:48:30,517 --> 00:48:32,753 He said, "But they exist." And he said, 1503 00:48:32,786 --> 00:48:35,188 "And they intervene in human history." 1504 00:48:36,523 --> 00:48:39,827 He was kind of reinscribing this idea 1505 00:48:39,860 --> 00:48:42,043 that what we see today is not what we think we're seeing. 1506 00:48:42,043 --> 00:48:44,465 that what we see today is not what we think we're seeing. 1507 00:48:44,498 --> 00:48:46,934 ♪♪♪♪♪ 1508 00:48:46,967 --> 00:48:48,043 Our perceptions see objects, but what are really there? 1509 00:48:48,043 --> 00:48:51,171 Our perceptions see objects, but what are really there? 1510 00:48:56,276 --> 00:48:58,312 ♪♪♪♪♪ 1511 00:48:58,345 --> 00:49:00,043 We're coming upon a new way 1512 00:49:00,043 --> 00:49:01,782 We're coming upon a new way 1513 00:49:01,815 --> 00:49:04,318 of understanding the transcendent, 1514 00:49:04,351 --> 00:49:06,043 and it's no longer an angel. 1515 00:49:06,043 --> 00:49:06,587 and it's no longer an angel. 1516 00:49:06,620 --> 00:49:09,790 ♪♪♪♪♪ 1517 00:49:09,823 --> 00:49:11,258 [Harris] What would it mean for our humanity 1518 00:49:11,291 --> 00:49:12,043 for us to discover that, in fact, 1519 00:49:12,043 --> 00:49:13,927 for us to discover that, in fact, 1520 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,295 there are other sentient beings 1521 00:49:15,328 --> 00:49:16,630 that are capable of traveling here? 1522 00:49:16,663 --> 00:49:18,043 ♪♪♪♪♪ 1523 00:49:18,043 --> 00:49:18,698 ♪♪♪♪♪ 1524 00:49:20,801 --> 00:49:22,803 The things that we think are important 1525 00:49:22,836 --> 00:49:24,043 in the midst of the ongoing pandemic 1526 00:49:24,043 --> 00:49:25,439 in the midst of the ongoing pandemic 1527 00:49:25,472 --> 00:49:27,775 or the uprising for racial justice... 1528 00:49:27,808 --> 00:49:30,043 -[explosive pops] -[crowd yelling] 1529 00:49:30,043 --> 00:49:30,644 -[explosive pops] -[crowd yelling] 1530 00:49:30,677 --> 00:49:33,280 [Harris] In the specter of being visited 1531 00:49:33,313 --> 00:49:36,043 by those from another planet, our own divisions would 1532 00:49:36,043 --> 00:49:36,884 by those from another planet, our own divisions would 1533 00:49:36,917 --> 00:49:38,385 suddenly feel so much smaller. 1534 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,043 Would feel less insurmountable, one would hope. 1535 00:49:42,043 --> 00:49:43,690 Would feel less insurmountable, one would hope. 1536 00:49:43,723 --> 00:49:45,826 I don't know what that would look like, 1537 00:49:45,859 --> 00:49:48,043 but I do know that it would 1538 00:49:48,043 --> 00:49:49,063 but I do know that it would 1539 00:49:49,096 --> 00:49:51,532 be the biggest change that we ever witnessed, any of us, 1540 00:49:51,565 --> 00:49:54,043 in the way that human beings saw themselves 1541 00:49:54,043 --> 00:49:54,368 in the way that human beings saw themselves 1542 00:49:54,401 --> 00:49:55,769 and saw each other. 1543 00:50:07,581 --> 00:50:09,249 [Kevin Day] I was a top ten graduate, 1544 00:50:09,282 --> 00:50:11,351 a senior air controller, 1545 00:50:11,384 --> 00:50:12,043 had 18 years sea time. 1546 00:50:12,043 --> 00:50:14,555 had 18 years sea time. 1547 00:50:14,588 --> 00:50:16,890 We were gonna do a big, huge air defense exercise. 1548 00:50:16,923 --> 00:50:18,043 A mock air battle for-for training purposes. 1549 00:50:18,043 --> 00:50:21,461 A mock air battle for-for training purposes. 1550 00:50:24,064 --> 00:50:26,332 This encounter profoundly affected me. 1551 00:50:31,471 --> 00:50:32,606 [Day] Oh, yeah. The entire crew 1552 00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:34,074 was talking about it. You bet. 1553 00:50:34,107 --> 00:50:36,043 -[man] Oh, my gosh, dude. -[man 2] Wow. 1554 00:50:36,043 --> 00:50:37,144 -[man] Oh, my gosh, dude. -[man 2] Wow. 1555 00:50:37,177 --> 00:50:38,979 [Day] They certainly didn't behave 1556 00:50:39,012 --> 00:50:40,814 like anything from this Earth. 1557 00:50:40,847 --> 00:50:42,043 I'm pretty convinced they had to be quantum-based. 1558 00:50:42,043 --> 00:50:44,785 I'm pretty convinced they had to be quantum-based. 1559 00:50:44,818 --> 00:50:47,955 If that's true, then what are the possibilities? 1560 00:50:47,988 --> 00:50:48,043 It's a pretty short list, isn't it? 1561 00:50:48,043 --> 00:50:50,290 It's a pretty short list, isn't it? 1562 00:50:51,358 --> 00:50:52,793 Uh, aliens. 1563 00:50:52,826 --> 00:50:54,043 ♪ dramatic music ♪ 1564 00:50:54,043 --> 00:50:54,795 ♪ dramatic music ♪