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[newsman]
It is very rare

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for thousands of people seeing
the same light at the same time.

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for thousands of people seeing
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[Fife Symington] I always refer
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That was the feeling, you know,
when you watch this thing

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go over and you think,
"Oh, my God, you know what?"

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go over and you think,
"Oh, my God, you know what?"

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"Otherworldly"
really describes it.

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[Kate Dorsch] What makes the
UFO so interesting is it is

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[Kate Dorsch] What makes the
UFO so interesting is it is

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such a scientific object.

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But how do we separate

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reputable witnesses
from crackpots?

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reputable witnesses
from crackpots?

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[George Knapp]
95% of it is bullshit,

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but if the other five percent

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but if the other five percent

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is true, it would be
the biggest story of all time.

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The implications are
enormous for everyone.

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The implications are
enormous for everyone.

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[Ralph Blumenthal]
If these things are

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our own government's
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why would they endanger
our own pilots?

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why would they endanger
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It doesn't make any sense.

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[Michael Smerconish]
Are we on the brink

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of full disclosure
about visitors from outer space?

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of full disclosure
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[Kevin Day]
Imagine if disclosure happens,

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and all of a sudden,
the entire world

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and all of a sudden,
the entire world

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starts experiencing
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I think there's
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And I think the world needs
to get prepared for it.

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And I think the world needs
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I really do.

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[Greg Eghigian]
For most people in history

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who have had
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who have had
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those reports are pretty brief.

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There's not a lot
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There's not a lot
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"So I was walking the dog,
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weird blue light," that's it.

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weird blue light," that's it.

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There are then, however,
people, of course,

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who tell more elaborate things,
truly mysterious experiences.

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who tell more elaborate things,
truly mysterious experiences.

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[interviewer] He didn't
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while you were taken
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while you were taken
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[Eghigian]
They start to question

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their worldview,
their concept of reality.

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their worldview,
their concept of reality.

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[Eghigian] The thing about
the UFO phenomenon,

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[Eghigian] The thing about
the UFO phenomenon,

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is it really a tale

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about stories and story-making?

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about stories and story-making?

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Finding a way to turn
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narrative is at the heart

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of, I think, humanity.
We want to do that.

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of, I think, humanity.
We want to do that.

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My name is Greg Eghigian.

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I am professor of history
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I am professor of history
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I teach a lot on the history

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of madness and mental illness

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of madness and mental illness

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and psychiatry,
history of science, as well.

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When I was a kid growing up,

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I got diagnosed
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literally, I couldn't move.

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I was really kind of isolated.

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I was really kind of isolated.

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reading a lot.

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The whole UFO thing
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I would sit there
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of a flying saucer,

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of a flying saucer,

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like the way people used to look
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I had this voracious appetite
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I thought I was gonna
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I went to college.

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I kind of lost interest
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Only recently,
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uh, talking with a friend
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uh, talking with a friend
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who was working on...

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some stories in Europe
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some stories in Europe
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about how, particularly
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there was a kind
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there was a kind
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of interest in the occult.

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And I asked her offhand, "Did
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about UFOs?"
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tons of people
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Lo and behold, what do I find?

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Lo and behold, what do I find?

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I find that
no academic historian since

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the 1970s had ever really

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the 1970s had ever really

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looked at the history of UFOs.

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The people who looked at it

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The people who looked at it

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were sociologists,
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folklorists.

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But nobody from my tribe...

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But nobody from my tribe...

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[chuckles]
...the historians.

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What's so striking
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What's so striking
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is so many
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they were all
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they were all
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the first five years
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And then there's just
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And then there's just
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They're variations on a theme.

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[reporter]
Now they say that it's

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balloons like this one
that have been

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balloons like this one
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mistaken for flying saucers.

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[reporter 2] In 1955,
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a family farmhouse
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a family farmhouse
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[reporter 3]
Nine disc-like objects flying

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at a speed of approximately
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at a speed of approximately
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near Mount Rainier, Oregon.

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[man] I looked up, and right
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it was a rim of lights
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it was a rim of lights
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[man 2] I'll be t... I'm gonna
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I don't know
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I don't know
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[woman]
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[man 2]
Oh, good God.

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[stammers] There's always
things like that going on.

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[stammers] There's always
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Uh, flying saucers, and we've

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had other things, you know.

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But now we've got some things
that really fly, and Russia

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But now we've got some things
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put up the first one
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[Eghigian] So a good example
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[Eghigian] So a good example
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and isn't sharing
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and isn't sharing
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[Knapp] They've lied about it
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They've diverted money

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from legitimate
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from legitimate
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into keeping this thing going

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and keeping it
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[Eghigian] There's different
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[Eghigian] There's different
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they're scared of creating
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mass panic.

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[John Greenewald Jr.]
People were scared.

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[John Greenewald Jr.]
People were scared.

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People did not know what it was,

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who was powering them.

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that they had to squash it.

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[Eghigian] There is the story
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[Eghigian] There is the story
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Or there's just the-the plain,
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Or there's just the-the plain,
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well, they're not sharing
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because these are secret weapons
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That theme, we're seeing it
play out right now, right?

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That theme, we're seeing it
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[Greenewald]
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that The New York Times
referenced metal alloys

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that The New York Times
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that were being housed
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within Bigelow Aerospace's
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these metal alloys were,
but the implications were there.

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[Knapp]
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a number of these reports
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where bits and pieces
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where bits and pieces
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Those reports are...
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have varying degrees
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have varying degrees
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But people that I know,
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who have worked in these
programs, think it's real.

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[Harry Reid] I know that there's
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having things in there,
some special warehouse.

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having things in there,
some special warehouse.

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I've never seen them.

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I've not been invited
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So, at this stage,
there's no evidence for me.

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So, at this stage,
there's no evidence for me.

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[Greenewald] That, to me,
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the biggest aspect

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the biggest aspect

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to this entire story,
and yet The New York Times,

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they just drop that bombshell
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they just drop that bombshell
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Why would you do that?

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Let's just say that there
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retrieved from UFOs.

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retrieved from UFOs.

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to the private sector,
number one?

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But number two, would you give
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that's off the Las Vegas Strip
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that's off the Las Vegas Strip
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In the realm
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[chuckles]
Hi.

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[chuckles]
Hi.

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We did some follow-up
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about crash-retrieved objects
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about crash-retrieved objects
in July of 2020.

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Very reputable sources

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have told us they believe

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indeed there are materials
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indeed there are materials
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of possible aerospace companies

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or special
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My colleague Ralph Blumenthal

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My colleague Ralph Blumenthal

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and I were privy
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that were actually used by the
Department of Defense program

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that were actually used by the
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to brief all kinds of people
in which they reference

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anomalous aerial vehicles
that have been retrieved.

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anomalous aerial vehicles
that have been retrieved.

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They call them crash retrievals.

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And they even use
the word "off-world"

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And they even use
the word "off-world"

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to describe
that these are, you know,

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possibly off-world vehicles.

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[Gary Voorhis] It could be any
of the major players: Lockheed,

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[Gary Voorhis] It could be any
of the major players: Lockheed,

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Northrop.

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I have a feeling that

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there's gonna be a huge boom
in tech in the next ten years,

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there's gonna be a huge boom
in tech in the next ten years,

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due to the fact that we're
understanding a lot more

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of this reverse-engineered tech.

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of this reverse-engineered tech.

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[reporter] The full U.S. Senate
Intelligence Commission

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report on this phenomenon

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is due out
before the end of the month.

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That's right, there have been
narratives about...

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crashes and bodies...

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back since 1947,

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back since 1947,

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and... there's no way to know,
if something is

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that secret, you know,

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that secret, you know,

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whether it actually
happened or not.

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[Dorsch] The narrative is that
the military has truth

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and is hiding it from you.

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and is hiding it from you.

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To some degree,
it is even less about...

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flying saucers and aliens

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flying saucers and aliens

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and some
extraterrestrial threat.

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It's that whatever it is,

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the military knows.

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And they're hiding it from you.

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And that's the part
that's really scary.

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And that's the part
that's really scary.

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[Eghigian] As a historian,
when you look back

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at when people
first started talking

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about having contact
with aliens...

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about having contact
with aliens...

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the stories that completely

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dominate the UFO scene,

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even into
the middle part of the '60s...

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even into
the middle part of the '60s...

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are a very different
set of stories.

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Those are stories
about people meeting

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aliens out in a field somewhere.

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aliens out in a field somewhere.

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They look like us.

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They typically speak
our language or they speak

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to me telepathically,
and they come here

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to me telepathically,
and they come here

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with this basic message.

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We're here to help you.

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We're here to warn you

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about nuclear weapons,

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about nuclear weapons,

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and, you know,
stop killing each other.

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[man]
We don't feel as paranoid

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about the future,
about our place.

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about the future,
about our place.

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I don't, I don't think
we're afraid of...

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as much as we used to be.

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[Eghigian] And when people
have these encounters,

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they come back
and they say this was

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they come back
and they say this was

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one of the most wonderful
experiences of my life.

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I hope I get to see them again.

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The interesting thing
to me, though, is that...

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The interesting thing
to me, though, is that...

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these stories are out there, but

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these stories are out there, but

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for well over
almost two decades,

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they make almost no mark

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in popular culture.

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in popular culture.

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[Kean] Well, it's not
the area that I focused on.

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And I chose not
to focus on it because

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And I chose not
to focus on it because

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the angle that I was taking
in my reporting was to try

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to get credibility
for the subject,

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and I knew that
that was not the way to go.

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and I knew that
that was not the way to go.

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Whether it was true or not,
it didn't matter.

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Whether it was true or not,
it didn't matter.

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You know,
even if it were all true,

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that was not the first step

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in terms of getting people
to accept this.

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in terms of getting people
to accept this.

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[Eghigian]
I remember very, very vividly

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stories about the Hills.

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Their story
absolutely riveted me.

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Their story
absolutely riveted me.

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I couldn't stop reading,

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even though
I couldn't get to sleep

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even though
I couldn't get to sleep

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properly every night
as I was reading it.

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[Kean]
I'm not writing it off.

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The problem with it is
it's very hard to prove it.

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The problem with it is
it's very hard to prove it.

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[Eghigian]
There were many other cases,

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[Eghigian]
There were many other cases,

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some remarkable stories

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in the '50s and the '60s
and the '70s.

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in the '50s and the '60s
and the '70s.

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But they're not something

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that gets a lot of attention.

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that gets a lot of attention.

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And then suddenly
you hit the early 1980s,

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and bam!
[chuckles]

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Everything is about
alien abduction.

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Everything is about
alien abduction.

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[reporter] Creatures with large
heads and huge dark eyes

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[reporter] Creatures with large
heads and huge dark eyes

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who usually appear
in the middle of the night

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and often perform
sinister medical experiments.

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and often perform
sinister medical experiments.

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I've had eggs removed
from my ovaries repeatedly.

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[woman] My mother and I have
both had close encounters

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[woman] My mother and I have
both had close encounters

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of the fourth kind, also known

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as abduction experiences.

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So what's been happening is,
we're being transported

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So what's been happening is,
we're being transported

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aboard a UFO of some sort,
a craft.

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We've undergone
physical examination,

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We've undergone
physical examination,

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mind scan process,
and reproductive processes.

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They're creating
a hybrid race between humans

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and extraterrestrials.

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and extraterrestrials.

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[Eghigian] So the question
then, to me, becomes:

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why are they interesting now?

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why are they interesting now?

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Why does this become
something fascinating?

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And there I think
you have to start

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And there I think
you have to start

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looking at things that are
going on in popular culture,

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but things that
are going on in society.

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Technological changes,

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Technological changes,

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and you have
a whole host of things.

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One of the things
that becomes a very big part

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One of the things
that becomes a very big part

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of public discussion

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starting in the 1960s,

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into the 1980s,

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into the 1980s,

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is a focus on home invasions.

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Starting with basically
Truman Capote's

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-In Cold Blood.
-[gunshot]

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-In Cold Blood.
-[gunshot]

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This case becomes sort
of this one pivotal moment,

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where people start to say
this could happen

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where people start to say
this could happen

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00:16:12,181 --> 00:16:13,548
to anybody.

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00:16:15,050 --> 00:16:17,720
The Manson Family killings
become

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a kind of a flashpoint

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00:16:18,043 --> 00:16:19,055
a kind of a flashpoint

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for talking about these things.

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This is also, by the way,
the age of hijacking.

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This is also, by the way,
the age of hijacking.

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When people talk
about encounters

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in, say, the early '60s,

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in, say, the early '60s,

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the encounters overwhelmingly
were outside.

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"We were outdoors or in my car."

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"We were outdoors or in my car."

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By the time you get
into the 1990s,

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the majority of people say,

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"My encounters are
in my bedroom."

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"My encounters are
in my bedroom."

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I'll be laying down on the bed,
and whichever

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direction I'm facing, they
will be behind me every time.

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direction I'm facing, they
will be behind me every time.

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[Eghigian]
I'm not saying that people

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are just making things up.

431
00:16:51,286 --> 00:16:52,921
That's not my point.

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00:16:53,956 --> 00:16:54,043
All of this seems
to lie in this idea

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All of this seems
to lie in this idea

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of a traumatic experience.

435
00:17:00,629 --> 00:17:03,499
And it's interesting to me that,

436
00:17:03,532 --> 00:17:06,043
that trauma, that term
"trauma," when does that

437
00:17:06,043 --> 00:17:06,669
that trauma, that term
"trauma," when does that

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start to really become part
of the public conversation

439
00:17:10,372 --> 00:17:12,043
about experiences
that are terrifying?

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00:17:12,043 --> 00:17:12,708
about experiences
that are terrifying?

441
00:17:12,741 --> 00:17:16,045
Well, it's, it's there,
already being talked about

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00:17:16,078 --> 00:17:18,043
after World War II
in the wake of the Holocaust.

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after World War II
in the wake of the Holocaust.

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00:17:20,482 --> 00:17:22,852
It's being talked about
in the 1970s

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and the feminist movement,

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about women who are victims

447
00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:25,354
about women who are victims

448
00:17:25,387 --> 00:17:27,322
of domestic abuse.

449
00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:29,925
But it's of course

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institutionalized in 1980

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institutionalized in 1980

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by the Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual

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with the invention of the post-
traumatic stress disorder.

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with the invention of the post-
traumatic stress disorder.

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And that's exactly
when you get John Mack.

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[Blumenthal]
I love books, and so,

457
00:17:48,043 --> 00:17:49,345
[Blumenthal]
I love books, and so,

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everywhere I go,
I look for books,

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especially vintage books.

460
00:17:54,449 --> 00:17:59,088
In 2004, I was a correspondent
in Texas and I picked up a book.

461
00:17:59,121 --> 00:18:00,043
I think it might have been
in Larry McMurtry's town

462
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I think it might have been
in Larry McMurtry's town

463
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in Texas, where he runs
a lot of book shops.

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The whole town is devoted
to Archer City,

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The whole town is devoted
to Archer City,

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which became, you know,
Last Picture Show.

467
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So I picked up a book called
Passport to the Cosmos,

468
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So I picked up a book called
Passport to the Cosmos,

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which was a book by John Mack.

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[reporter] Passport
to the Cosmos is Dr. Mack's

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[reporter] Passport
to the Cosmos is Dr. Mack's

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newest book.
Quite simply, it's about people

473
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who claim they've been
abducted by aliens.

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[Diana Walsh Pasulka]
John Mack,

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[Diana Walsh Pasulka]
John Mack,

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who is a Pulitzer Prize-winning
Harvard researcher...

477
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...in the '80s wrote the book

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...in the '80s wrote the book

479
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Abduction:
Human Encounters with Aliens.

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That's not an easy topic
for an academic because

481
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That's not an easy topic
for an academic because

482
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it could ruin your career.

483
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[Blumenthal]
He was very eminent in his field

484
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[Blumenthal]
He was very eminent in his field

485
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and he had a very
distinguished career

486
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writing
about Lawrence of Arabia.

487
00:18:46,034 --> 00:18:48,043
He had been written up many
times in The New York Times.

488
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He had been written up many
times in The New York Times.

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He was an expert
in childhood development.

490
00:18:51,373 --> 00:18:52,841
He had written
a book on nightmares.

491
00:18:52,874 --> 00:18:54,043
He had written a book on,
uh, teenage suicide.

492
00:18:54,043 --> 00:18:55,411
He had written a book on,
uh, teenage suicide.

493
00:18:55,444 --> 00:18:57,313
He had been on Oprah.

494
00:18:57,346 --> 00:18:59,548
He was, you know, famous.

495
00:18:59,581 --> 00:19:00,043
Infamous in some circles
at Harvard

496
00:19:00,043 --> 00:19:01,350
Infamous in some circles
at Harvard

497
00:19:01,383 --> 00:19:03,018
but very, very well-known.

498
00:19:03,051 --> 00:19:04,687
What the source of this is,

499
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,043
what... who these beings are,
where they come from,

500
00:19:06,043 --> 00:19:06,789
what... who these beings are,
where they come from,

501
00:19:06,822 --> 00:19:09,191
what creates
this intelligence...

502
00:19:09,224 --> 00:19:11,493
uh, I don't know,
but there's something

503
00:19:11,526 --> 00:19:12,043
profoundly important
going on here

504
00:19:12,043 --> 00:19:14,330
profoundly important
going on here

505
00:19:14,363 --> 00:19:16,699
that is authentic and real.

506
00:19:16,732 --> 00:19:18,043
John Mack is a pivotal
figure in this history.

507
00:19:18,043 --> 00:19:21,636
John Mack is a pivotal
figure in this history.

508
00:19:22,504 --> 00:19:24,043
He has a kind
of recognized legitimacy

509
00:19:24,043 --> 00:19:26,275
He has a kind
of recognized legitimacy

510
00:19:26,308 --> 00:19:30,043
that most people in the UFO
community did not enjoy.

511
00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:30,813
that most people in the UFO
community did not enjoy.

512
00:19:30,846 --> 00:19:34,683
So the idea is, if someone
like him is interested

513
00:19:34,716 --> 00:19:36,043
in this topic and feels
there's something worthy

514
00:19:36,043 --> 00:19:36,819
in this topic and feels
there's something worthy

515
00:19:36,852 --> 00:19:38,920
to look at,
we've got to look at that.

516
00:19:40,555 --> 00:19:42,043
[Charlie Rose]
Do you, as an intelligent person

517
00:19:42,043 --> 00:19:42,591
[Charlie Rose]
Do you, as an intelligent person

518
00:19:42,624 --> 00:19:45,694
who's investigated it,
believe...

519
00:19:45,727 --> 00:19:48,030
I don't know of a better word...

520
00:19:48,063 --> 00:19:49,598
think it happened to them?

521
00:19:49,631 --> 00:19:52,568
Nothing in my 40 years
of working with people

522
00:19:52,601 --> 00:19:54,043
prepared me for this phenomenon.

523
00:19:54,043 --> 00:19:54,603
prepared me for this phenomenon.

524
00:19:54,636 --> 00:19:57,573
In spite of all
the criticism that I may be

525
00:19:57,606 --> 00:19:59,441
taking it too seriously or...

526
00:19:59,474 --> 00:20:00,043
uh, believing
this really happened,

527
00:20:00,043 --> 00:20:01,543
uh, believing
this really happened,

528
00:20:01,576 --> 00:20:04,713
there isn't a single case
where anybody has found

529
00:20:04,746 --> 00:20:06,043
another explanation of what
an individual has reported.

530
00:20:06,043 --> 00:20:09,284
another explanation of what
an individual has reported.

531
00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:15,624
[Blumenthal] The Harvard
psychiatrist who's researching

532
00:20:15,657 --> 00:20:17,226
alien abduction.
I thought

533
00:20:17,259 --> 00:20:18,043
he'd make a great story
for The New York Times.

534
00:20:18,043 --> 00:20:19,061
he'd make a great story
for The New York Times.

535
00:20:19,094 --> 00:20:22,765
I was thinking about calling
him up for an interview.

536
00:20:22,798 --> 00:20:24,043
And then literally
a few days later,

537
00:20:24,043 --> 00:20:25,000
And then literally
a few days later,

538
00:20:25,033 --> 00:20:27,802
I picked up The New York Times
and I saw his obituary.

539
00:20:31,506 --> 00:20:32,707
I was shocked.

540
00:20:33,842 --> 00:20:36,043
He was run over and killed
by a hit-and-run driver,

541
00:20:36,043 --> 00:20:36,445
He was run over and killed
by a hit-and-run driver,

542
00:20:36,478 --> 00:20:37,813
a drunk driver in London.

543
00:20:37,846 --> 00:20:39,214
I thought it was very strange.

544
00:20:40,148 --> 00:20:42,043
The Internet was already
well along, so there were

545
00:20:42,043 --> 00:20:43,686
The Internet was already
well along, so there were

546
00:20:43,719 --> 00:20:46,655
suspicions
and allegations by people

547
00:20:46,688 --> 00:20:48,043
that he'd been assassinated.

548
00:20:48,043 --> 00:20:48,390
that he'd been assassinated.

549
00:20:50,492 --> 00:20:53,329
[Eghigian] There's no question,
like a lot of famous people

550
00:20:53,362 --> 00:20:54,043
who have worked in the UFO area,

551
00:20:54,043 --> 00:20:54,963
who have worked in the UFO area,

552
00:20:54,996 --> 00:20:56,799
whenever they die,

553
00:20:56,832 --> 00:20:58,701
particularly an untimely death,

554
00:20:58,734 --> 00:21:00,043
there are people
who come forward and say

555
00:21:00,043 --> 00:21:00,903
there are people
who come forward and say

556
00:21:00,936 --> 00:21:02,338
this is part of the conspiracy.

557
00:21:02,371 --> 00:21:04,340
The Men in Black narrative.

558
00:21:04,373 --> 00:21:06,043
Again...
it's a common kind of thing

559
00:21:06,043 --> 00:21:07,509
Again...
it's a common kind of thing

560
00:21:07,542 --> 00:21:08,843
that you see take place.

561
00:21:09,711 --> 00:21:11,313
[Blumenthal]
The most common rumor was that

562
00:21:11,346 --> 00:21:12,043
another person named John Mack

563
00:21:12,043 --> 00:21:12,548
another person named John Mack

564
00:21:12,581 --> 00:21:14,483
was run down at the same time,

565
00:21:14,516 --> 00:21:16,352
so that shows that John Macks

566
00:21:16,385 --> 00:21:18,043
were targeted, and it's not
true as far as I could, uh,

567
00:21:18,043 --> 00:21:19,221
were targeted, and it's not
true as far as I could, uh,

568
00:21:19,254 --> 00:21:21,890
determine, there was
no other John Mack run over.

569
00:21:23,191 --> 00:21:24,043
[Brandon Harris]
This is happening on the heels

570
00:21:24,043 --> 00:21:24,960
[Brandon Harris]
This is happening on the heels

571
00:21:24,993 --> 00:21:27,663
of the popularity
of The X Files television show,

572
00:21:27,696 --> 00:21:29,498
with a sort
of burgeoning interest

573
00:21:29,531 --> 00:21:30,043
in alien culture.

574
00:21:30,043 --> 00:21:31,866
in alien culture.

575
00:21:33,335 --> 00:21:34,536
The early days

576
00:21:34,569 --> 00:21:36,043
of the Web allows people

577
00:21:36,043 --> 00:21:36,638
of the Web allows people

578
00:21:36,671 --> 00:21:39,875
who have an interest
in aliens and UFOs

579
00:21:39,908 --> 00:21:41,410
to find each other more easily.

580
00:21:41,443 --> 00:21:42,043
Where conspiracy theories

581
00:21:42,043 --> 00:21:43,345
Where conspiracy theories

582
00:21:43,378 --> 00:21:44,747
or myth can take hold

583
00:21:44,780 --> 00:21:46,882
and find purchase with a group

584
00:21:46,915 --> 00:21:48,043
of people that can
spread it more widely.

585
00:21:48,043 --> 00:21:48,416
of people that can
spread it more widely.

586
00:21:49,718 --> 00:21:52,454
[Blumenthal] It really was sadly
much more simple than that.

587
00:21:52,487 --> 00:21:54,043
He was run over and killed
by a hit-and-run drunk driver

588
00:21:54,043 --> 00:21:56,024
He was run over and killed
by a hit-and-run drunk driver

589
00:21:56,057 --> 00:21:58,427
in London.
He looked the wrong way

590
00:21:58,460 --> 00:22:00,043
and died almost immediately.

591
00:22:00,043 --> 00:22:00,795
and died almost immediately.

592
00:22:13,475 --> 00:22:15,377
Well, I mean he was
a psychiatrist,

593
00:22:15,410 --> 00:22:16,745
so he was an expert scholar

594
00:22:16,778 --> 00:22:18,043
of-of the human mind and psyche,

595
00:22:18,043 --> 00:22:19,281
of-of the human mind and psyche,

596
00:22:19,314 --> 00:22:22,751
and he found that these
people were eminently normal.

597
00:22:23,885 --> 00:22:24,043
There was nothing
to distinguish them,

598
00:22:24,043 --> 00:22:25,554
There was nothing
to distinguish them,

599
00:22:25,587 --> 00:22:26,722
except for the fact that

600
00:22:26,755 --> 00:22:27,890
they came to him telling

601
00:22:27,923 --> 00:22:29,425
of these
extraordinary experiences.

602
00:22:29,458 --> 00:22:30,043
And went
from the white light hitting me

603
00:22:30,043 --> 00:22:31,093
And went
from the white light hitting me

604
00:22:31,126 --> 00:22:32,795
to then being paralyzed

605
00:22:32,828 --> 00:22:35,431
to being floated out of my room,
going up into a spaceship,

606
00:22:35,464 --> 00:22:36,043
lying on a table.

607
00:22:36,043 --> 00:22:36,965
lying on a table.

608
00:22:36,998 --> 00:22:38,567
I was aware that they
were putting an instrument

609
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,536
in my neck.

610
00:22:40,569 --> 00:22:42,043
[Eghigian]
John Mack tells us in interviews

611
00:22:42,043 --> 00:22:42,771
[Eghigian]
John Mack tells us in interviews

612
00:22:42,804 --> 00:22:44,940
when you look
at what he talked about.

613
00:22:44,973 --> 00:22:46,809
His first response was,
"This is nonsense.

614
00:22:46,842 --> 00:22:48,043
This is utter nonsense."

615
00:22:48,043 --> 00:22:48,477
This is utter nonsense."

616
00:22:48,510 --> 00:22:51,280
But what really struck him
as he looked more at this,

617
00:22:51,313 --> 00:22:54,043
the people
seemed legitimately upset.

618
00:22:54,043 --> 00:22:54,082
the people
seemed legitimately upset.

619
00:22:54,115 --> 00:22:56,852
I'm remembering
what they did to me.

620
00:22:56,885 --> 00:22:59,621
I don't want him
doing that to her.

621
00:22:59,654 --> 00:23:00,043
And I... And I just blurted,
"Don't touch her.

622
00:23:00,043 --> 00:23:01,690
And I... And I just blurted,
"Don't touch her.

623
00:23:01,723 --> 00:23:05,694
Don't take her.
D-Don't do those things to her."

624
00:23:05,727 --> 00:23:06,043
[Eghigian]
They were telling stories

625
00:23:06,043 --> 00:23:07,463
[Eghigian]
They were telling stories

626
00:23:07,496 --> 00:23:09,798
that were consistent
with one another

627
00:23:09,831 --> 00:23:12,043
though these people
had never met one another.

628
00:23:12,043 --> 00:23:12,401
though these people
had never met one another.

629
00:23:12,434 --> 00:23:13,769
They would hear
that another person

630
00:23:13,802 --> 00:23:15,137
had had the same experience.

631
00:23:15,170 --> 00:23:17,372
They would become
very much disturbed

632
00:23:17,405 --> 00:23:18,043
because it meant they couldn't
dismiss it as a dream.

633
00:23:18,043 --> 00:23:19,942
because it meant they couldn't
dismiss it as a dream.

634
00:23:19,975 --> 00:23:22,177
They couldn't dismiss it
as their private mental illness

635
00:23:22,210 --> 00:23:24,043
or fantasy,
and that, to a psychiatrist...

636
00:23:24,043 --> 00:23:24,313
or fantasy,
and that, to a psychiatrist...

637
00:23:24,346 --> 00:23:26,982
at least to this psychiatrist...
was very powerful.

638
00:23:27,015 --> 00:23:29,251
It was a broad cross section
of humanity.

639
00:23:29,284 --> 00:23:30,043
Men, women, blue-collar people,
professionals,

640
00:23:30,043 --> 00:23:32,254
Men, women, blue-collar people,
professionals,

641
00:23:32,287 --> 00:23:34,089
psychiatrists also, doctors,

642
00:23:34,122 --> 00:23:35,324
lawyers, politicians

643
00:23:35,357 --> 00:23:36,043
and children
as young as two years old

644
00:23:36,043 --> 00:23:37,092
and children
as young as two years old

645
00:23:37,125 --> 00:23:38,994
who would tell stories
about little men

646
00:23:39,027 --> 00:23:40,796
who took them up into the sky.

647
00:23:40,829 --> 00:23:42,043
And he realized, of course,

648
00:23:42,043 --> 00:23:42,197
And he realized, of course,

649
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:44,333
that these children
were not reciting

650
00:23:44,366 --> 00:23:45,701
stories from books they had read

651
00:23:45,734 --> 00:23:47,503
or movies they had seen.
They were two years old.

652
00:23:47,536 --> 00:23:48,043
They were not mentally ill.
He was convinced of that

653
00:23:48,043 --> 00:23:50,539
They were not mentally ill.
He was convinced of that

654
00:23:50,572 --> 00:23:51,773
because that was his field.

655
00:23:51,806 --> 00:23:53,509
They were not delusional.

656
00:23:53,542 --> 00:23:54,043
They were not deluded.

657
00:23:54,043 --> 00:23:54,910
They were not deluded.

658
00:23:54,943 --> 00:23:56,311
They were not looking
for publicity.

659
00:23:56,344 --> 00:23:58,747
On the contrary,
they were horrified

660
00:23:58,780 --> 00:24:00,043
by what they think
had happened to them.

661
00:24:00,043 --> 00:24:00,749
by what they think
had happened to them.

662
00:24:00,782 --> 00:24:03,018
They were traumatized,
often to the point

663
00:24:03,051 --> 00:24:06,043
of shaking and crying when
they revealed these encounters

664
00:24:06,043 --> 00:24:06,154
of shaking and crying when
they revealed these encounters

665
00:24:06,187 --> 00:24:08,657
in sessions
that he had with them.

666
00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:10,692
He didn't communicate anything
to you

667
00:24:10,725 --> 00:24:12,043
about why you were taken back
into the ship?

668
00:24:12,043 --> 00:24:13,962
about why you were taken back
into the ship?

669
00:24:13,995 --> 00:24:17,533
I just remember being able
to see that light again.

670
00:24:17,566 --> 00:24:18,043
[Blumenthal]
Basically,

671
00:24:18,043 --> 00:24:18,967
[Blumenthal]
Basically,

672
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,036
he could not find
any other explanation

673
00:24:21,069 --> 00:24:23,705
other than what the people
said had happened to them.

674
00:24:23,738 --> 00:24:24,043
♪ intriguing, tense music ♪

675
00:24:24,043 --> 00:24:25,707
♪ intriguing, tense music ♪

676
00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:27,309
[Mack]
In these cases, these people

677
00:24:27,342 --> 00:24:29,411
have been examined by myself.
They've been

678
00:24:29,444 --> 00:24:30,043
tested psychologically.

679
00:24:30,043 --> 00:24:30,712
tested psychologically.

680
00:24:30,745 --> 00:24:33,048
They are
of above-average intelligence.

681
00:24:33,081 --> 00:24:34,917
They are of sound mind.
They've been shown

682
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:36,043
as of sup-superior mental
functioning by the testers.

683
00:24:36,043 --> 00:24:38,554
as of sup-superior mental
functioning by the testers.

684
00:24:38,587 --> 00:24:40,222
So the-there is not indication

685
00:24:40,255 --> 00:24:42,043
of any kind
of psychiatric condition

686
00:24:42,043 --> 00:24:42,190
of any kind
of psychiatric condition

687
00:24:42,223 --> 00:24:44,192
that can account for this
that I've been able to find.

688
00:24:44,225 --> 00:24:46,261
Because they don't want
to believe it's true.

689
00:24:46,294 --> 00:24:48,043
They would rather believe
it's a dream

690
00:24:48,043 --> 00:24:48,230
They would rather believe
it's a dream

691
00:24:48,263 --> 00:24:50,265
or a form of mental illness
than that this is something real

692
00:24:50,298 --> 00:24:53,401
because it's so shattering
to their notion of reality.

693
00:24:54,269 --> 00:24:56,238
[Pasulka] If you look
through John Mack's book,

694
00:24:56,271 --> 00:24:58,874
you see these people have
these contact experiences.

695
00:24:58,907 --> 00:25:00,043
There was always some type
of incredible event,

696
00:25:00,043 --> 00:25:03,145
There was always some type
of incredible event,

697
00:25:03,178 --> 00:25:06,043
and then they understood it
to be a real thing.

698
00:25:06,043 --> 00:25:07,416
and then they understood it
to be a real thing.

699
00:25:07,449 --> 00:25:11,019
There are experiences
from hundreds of years ago

700
00:25:11,052 --> 00:25:12,043
that look similar
to what people experience today.

701
00:25:12,043 --> 00:25:15,223
that look similar
to what people experience today.

702
00:25:17,392 --> 00:25:18,043
One of the best examples of that
has to be Teresa of Ávila,

703
00:25:18,043 --> 00:25:21,396
One of the best examples of that
has to be Teresa of Ávila,

704
00:25:21,429 --> 00:25:23,832
who is a doctor of the church,

705
00:25:23,865 --> 00:25:24,043
and she was the Italian nun
in the 1500s.

706
00:25:24,043 --> 00:25:29,037
and she was the Italian nun
in the 1500s.

707
00:25:29,804 --> 00:25:30,043
She had this experience

708
00:25:30,043 --> 00:25:31,340
She had this experience

709
00:25:31,373 --> 00:25:35,277
that is very well-represented
in Western art.

710
00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:36,043
And it's represented
in statues and paintings,

711
00:25:36,043 --> 00:25:38,246
And it's represented
in statues and paintings,

712
00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,750
and it's this experience
where, if you looked at it,

713
00:25:41,783 --> 00:25:42,043
you would see her
in kind of ecstasy.

714
00:25:42,043 --> 00:25:44,819
you would see her
in kind of ecstasy.

715
00:25:45,954 --> 00:25:48,043
And you see this angel.

716
00:25:48,043 --> 00:25:48,189
And you see this angel.

717
00:25:50,125 --> 00:25:52,260
There's a very famous statue

718
00:25:52,293 --> 00:25:53,895
by Bernini in Rome

719
00:25:53,928 --> 00:25:54,043
where there is an angel
carrying this dart.

720
00:25:54,043 --> 00:25:57,232
where there is an angel
carrying this dart.

721
00:25:57,265 --> 00:25:59,935
And, you know,
it looks like Eros, right?

722
00:25:59,968 --> 00:26:00,043
The god Eros with the dart
who's gonna get you,

723
00:26:00,043 --> 00:26:02,237
The god Eros with the dart
who's gonna get you,

724
00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:03,772
and, you know,
you're gonna fall in love.

725
00:26:03,805 --> 00:26:06,043
But if you actually read
her report of it,

726
00:26:06,043 --> 00:26:06,108
But if you actually read
her report of it,

727
00:26:06,141 --> 00:26:08,377
it looks nothing
like her actual experience.

728
00:26:08,410 --> 00:26:11,880
She says,
"This is not a normal angel.

729
00:26:11,913 --> 00:26:12,043
But usually if I see an angel,
it's imaginative.

730
00:26:12,043 --> 00:26:14,316
But usually if I see an angel,
it's imaginative.

731
00:26:14,349 --> 00:26:15,884
It's, you know,
something in my head.

732
00:26:15,917 --> 00:26:17,586
But this thing's actually real.
Right?

733
00:26:17,619 --> 00:26:18,043
This thing's, like, fleshy.
It is right there."

734
00:26:18,043 --> 00:26:19,821
This thing's, like, fleshy.
It is right there."

735
00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:22,557
"And it's short.

736
00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:23,825
You know, it's three feet.

737
00:26:23,858 --> 00:26:24,043
And it's fiery.
It's all on fire.

738
00:26:24,043 --> 00:26:26,428
And it's fiery.
It's all on fire.

739
00:26:26,461 --> 00:26:28,597
And it has this prong,

740
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:30,043
and it's-it's, you know,

741
00:26:30,043 --> 00:26:30,899
and it's-it's, you know,

742
00:26:30,932 --> 00:26:34,102
thrust the prong into my bowel."

743
00:26:34,936 --> 00:26:36,043
You see this time and time again

744
00:26:36,043 --> 00:26:36,638
You see this time and time again

745
00:26:36,671 --> 00:26:40,375
in history with people who have
these experiences and sightings,

746
00:26:40,408 --> 00:26:42,043
what are called
contact experiences.

747
00:26:42,043 --> 00:26:43,011
what are called
contact experiences.

748
00:26:43,044 --> 00:26:44,680
And then what happens is

749
00:26:44,713 --> 00:26:47,783
that there's an interpretive
framework around that

750
00:26:47,816 --> 00:26:48,043
that the Church then declares

751
00:26:48,043 --> 00:26:50,686
that the Church then declares

752
00:26:50,719 --> 00:26:52,888
as what happened.

753
00:26:52,921 --> 00:26:54,043
The interpretation
then gets done

754
00:26:54,043 --> 00:26:55,691
The interpretation
then gets done

755
00:26:55,724 --> 00:26:57,726
after the experience.

756
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,028
That's what's called religion.

757
00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:04,266
And then it's represented.

758
00:27:04,299 --> 00:27:06,001
Like, you can say

759
00:27:06,034 --> 00:27:06,043
that pop culture back then
were paintings and statues.

760
00:27:06,043 --> 00:27:08,937
that pop culture back then
were paintings and statues.

761
00:27:08,970 --> 00:27:10,639
♪ intense, dramatic music ♪

762
00:27:10,672 --> 00:27:12,043
Teresa has her event,

763
00:27:12,043 --> 00:27:12,641
Teresa has her event,

764
00:27:12,674 --> 00:27:15,510
and it gets changed, right?

765
00:27:15,543 --> 00:27:18,043
It can become
something completely different

766
00:27:18,043 --> 00:27:18,146
It can become
something completely different

767
00:27:18,179 --> 00:27:20,015
than what
she actually wrote about.

768
00:27:20,048 --> 00:27:22,884
We decided we're only gonna look
at these parts

769
00:27:22,917 --> 00:27:24,043
because we can only deal
with those parts.

770
00:27:24,043 --> 00:27:24,886
because we can only deal
with those parts.

771
00:27:33,495 --> 00:27:36,043
[Eghigian] John Mack
is unusual and important

772
00:27:36,043 --> 00:27:36,898
[Eghigian] John Mack
is unusual and important

773
00:27:36,931 --> 00:27:39,534
because when he encounters
the alien abductees,

774
00:27:39,567 --> 00:27:42,043
he says, "I-I could start
to question their worldview."

775
00:27:42,043 --> 00:27:43,739
he says, "I-I could start
to question their worldview."

776
00:27:43,772 --> 00:27:47,109
"Their cosmology," is what
he called it. "Their reality."

777
00:27:47,142 --> 00:27:48,043
He said, "But I started
to come to believe

778
00:27:48,043 --> 00:27:49,911
He said, "But I started
to come to believe

779
00:27:49,944 --> 00:27:52,247
that I was being called on
to embrace

780
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,043
their experiences as something
that challenges me."

781
00:27:54,043 --> 00:27:55,917
their experiences as something
that challenges me."

782
00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:57,185
If this is a real experience...

783
00:27:57,218 --> 00:28:00,043
that is,
some kind of entities, beings,

784
00:28:00,043 --> 00:28:00,055
that is,
some kind of entities, beings,

785
00:28:00,088 --> 00:28:01,957
intelligences
are entering our world

786
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:04,059
and affecting
hundreds of thousands,

787
00:28:04,092 --> 00:28:06,043
perhaps millions of people,
according to polls...

788
00:28:06,043 --> 00:28:06,228
perhaps millions of people,
according to polls...

789
00:28:06,261 --> 00:28:07,863
then this is something
really worth looking at.

790
00:28:07,896 --> 00:28:09,397
So, that's what
I've been trying to do,

791
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:11,166
is get people
at least to look at it.

792
00:28:11,199 --> 00:28:12,043
Think about it.

793
00:28:12,043 --> 00:28:12,233
Think about it.

794
00:28:20,441 --> 00:28:22,177
Once you kind of get hit
in the face with this

795
00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:23,845
and there's a connection
you can make to it

796
00:28:23,878 --> 00:28:24,043
where you just realize this is
too big to turn away from.

797
00:28:24,043 --> 00:28:27,782
where you just realize this is
too big to turn away from.

798
00:28:28,583 --> 00:28:30,043
And it can just grab you.

799
00:28:30,043 --> 00:28:30,685
And it can just grab you.

800
00:28:30,718 --> 00:28:32,086
That's what it feels like.

801
00:28:32,954 --> 00:28:34,623
And I'm the same way, you know,

802
00:28:34,656 --> 00:28:35,957
so I understand it.

803
00:28:39,594 --> 00:28:42,043
I never went to formal school.
Actually,

804
00:28:42,043 --> 00:28:42,798
I never went to formal school.
Actually,

805
00:28:42,831 --> 00:28:45,233
I went to Burma,
and I was documenting

806
00:28:45,266 --> 00:28:47,469
a lot of human rights abuses
in Burma

807
00:28:47,502 --> 00:28:48,043
in the '90s, basically.

808
00:28:48,043 --> 00:28:48,804
in the '90s, basically.

809
00:28:48,837 --> 00:28:51,105
[overlapping shouting]

810
00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:54,043
[screaming]

811
00:28:54,043 --> 00:28:54,842
[screaming]

812
00:28:55,877 --> 00:28:57,979
And when I came back,

813
00:28:58,012 --> 00:29:00,043
I was invited
to go on a public radio show.

814
00:29:00,043 --> 00:29:00,816
I was invited
to go on a public radio show.

815
00:29:00,849 --> 00:29:04,219
And then I started working
with the producer of that show,

816
00:29:04,252 --> 00:29:06,043
who was really interested
in what I had,

817
00:29:06,043 --> 00:29:06,288
who was really interested
in what I had,

818
00:29:06,321 --> 00:29:09,123
and I was eventually hired
to work at this radio station.

819
00:29:11,492 --> 00:29:12,043
I was curious, but no more
than your average person.

820
00:29:12,043 --> 00:29:14,863
I was curious, but no more
than your average person.

821
00:29:14,896 --> 00:29:17,566
I mean, I never, ever
would have imagined

822
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:18,043
that I would ever be
professionally involved.

823
00:29:18,043 --> 00:29:19,734
that I would ever be
professionally involved.

824
00:29:20,935 --> 00:29:24,043
What started the whole thing
was, I was sent a report in 1999

825
00:29:24,043 --> 00:29:25,874
What started the whole thing
was, I was sent a report in 1999

826
00:29:25,907 --> 00:29:27,175
from a colleague in France

827
00:29:27,208 --> 00:29:29,578
called the COMETA Report.

828
00:29:29,611 --> 00:29:30,043
It was a 90-page study
on UFO data

829
00:29:30,043 --> 00:29:33,515
It was a 90-page study
on UFO data

830
00:29:33,548 --> 00:29:36,043
by a group of very distinguished
people in France.

831
00:29:36,043 --> 00:29:36,418
by a group of very distinguished
people in France.

832
00:29:36,451 --> 00:29:39,020
Generals, admirals,
police chief,

833
00:29:39,053 --> 00:29:41,456
scientists, engineers.

834
00:29:41,489 --> 00:29:42,043
They were only looking
at official cases,

835
00:29:42,043 --> 00:29:44,492
They were only looking
at official cases,

836
00:29:44,525 --> 00:29:47,529
pilot cases, military cases.
Then they spent

837
00:29:47,562 --> 00:29:48,043
three years studying
all these official cases,

838
00:29:48,043 --> 00:29:49,130
three years studying
all these official cases,

839
00:29:49,163 --> 00:29:51,967
and they came out
with this 90-page study

840
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,935
which basically said

841
00:29:53,968 --> 00:29:54,043
that the best hypothesis

842
00:29:54,043 --> 00:29:55,604
that the best hypothesis

843
00:29:55,637 --> 00:29:57,806
for all this data
they observed was

844
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:00,043
that we were being visited
by extraterrestrial vehicles.

845
00:30:00,043 --> 00:30:01,209
that we were being visited
by extraterrestrial vehicles.

846
00:30:02,777 --> 00:30:05,213
And I was just
absolutely fascinated by it.

847
00:30:05,246 --> 00:30:06,043
I thought this is
a massively huge story.

848
00:30:06,043 --> 00:30:08,049
I thought this is
a massively huge story.

849
00:30:10,251 --> 00:30:12,043
This was the first time
I went out on my own,

850
00:30:12,043 --> 00:30:12,254
This was the first time
I went out on my own,

851
00:30:12,287 --> 00:30:14,656
pitched the story,
and it was published

852
00:30:14,689 --> 00:30:17,993
in the Boston Globe, and that
was sort of what launched me

853
00:30:18,026 --> 00:30:18,043
on this journey,
and from that moment on,

854
00:30:18,043 --> 00:30:19,928
on this journey,
and from that moment on,

855
00:30:19,961 --> 00:30:21,762
I was... I was, like, hooked.

856
00:30:22,597 --> 00:30:24,043
[Knapp] I'm not a UFO guy.
It wasn't my thing.

857
00:30:24,043 --> 00:30:25,533
[Knapp] I'm not a UFO guy.
It wasn't my thing.

858
00:30:25,566 --> 00:30:27,669
I was chasing the mob
in those days,

859
00:30:27,702 --> 00:30:29,537
but this got my attention.

860
00:30:30,939 --> 00:30:33,141
I was hooked on it.

861
00:30:33,174 --> 00:30:36,043
[Kean] There was
a huge outpouring of excitement

862
00:30:36,043 --> 00:30:36,111
[Kean] There was
a huge outpouring of excitement

863
00:30:36,144 --> 00:30:38,313
from the UFO community because

864
00:30:38,346 --> 00:30:40,048
I don't think a journalist

865
00:30:40,081 --> 00:30:42,043
had ever taken it
seriously enough

866
00:30:42,043 --> 00:30:43,151
had ever taken it
seriously enough

867
00:30:43,184 --> 00:30:44,886
to publish a long story

868
00:30:44,919 --> 00:30:47,122
in a major publication
like the Boston Globe.

869
00:30:47,155 --> 00:30:48,043
[Knapp] Suddenly, my phone
starts ringing off the hook.

870
00:30:48,043 --> 00:30:50,458
[Knapp] Suddenly, my phone
starts ringing off the hook.

871
00:30:50,491 --> 00:30:52,327
People are calling.
They're giving me

872
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,043
tips about UFOs, and I realized

873
00:30:54,043 --> 00:30:54,763
tips about UFOs, and I realized

874
00:30:54,796 --> 00:30:56,831
that this topic
touched the pulse of the public

875
00:30:56,864 --> 00:30:58,967
in a way that I
had never considered before.

876
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,043
♪ intriguing, dramatic music ♪

877
00:31:00,043 --> 00:31:00,568
♪ intriguing, dramatic music ♪

878
00:31:00,601 --> 00:31:02,237
[Kean] I started going
to some conferences

879
00:31:02,270 --> 00:31:05,139
so I would meet members
of the UFO community.

880
00:31:05,974 --> 00:31:06,043
And then I was actually
introduced to Budd Hopkins.

881
00:31:06,043 --> 00:31:09,377
And then I was actually
introduced to Budd Hopkins.

882
00:31:13,181 --> 00:31:16,718
[Eghigian] Budd Hopkins is a guy
who already, in the early '80s,

883
00:31:16,751 --> 00:31:18,043
had become quite famous.

884
00:31:18,043 --> 00:31:18,219
had become quite famous.

885
00:31:18,252 --> 00:31:20,555
The evidence suggests
beyond any doubt,

886
00:31:20,588 --> 00:31:23,124
as far as I'm concerned,
that we're being visited

887
00:31:23,157 --> 00:31:24,043
by some kind of...
some form of intelligence

888
00:31:24,043 --> 00:31:24,960
by some kind of...
some form of intelligence

889
00:31:24,993 --> 00:31:26,594
which is higher than ours

890
00:31:26,627 --> 00:31:28,630
and some kind of technology
which is higher than ours.

891
00:31:28,663 --> 00:31:30,043
We keep it at arm's length
conveniently,

892
00:31:30,043 --> 00:31:30,632
We keep it at arm's length
conveniently,

893
00:31:30,665 --> 00:31:33,101
but it does upset
more and more people

894
00:31:33,134 --> 00:31:34,936
as they see the evidence for it.

895
00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:36,043
[Kean] Budd Hopkins
was a very well-known artist

896
00:31:36,043 --> 00:31:39,474
[Kean] Budd Hopkins
was a very well-known artist

897
00:31:39,507 --> 00:31:41,309
before any of this
came into his life.

898
00:31:41,342 --> 00:31:42,043
He was an abstract expressionist
painter and sculptor.

899
00:31:42,043 --> 00:31:44,879
He was an abstract expressionist
painter and sculptor.

900
00:31:44,912 --> 00:31:46,281
♪ intriguing, tense music ♪

901
00:31:46,314 --> 00:31:47,949
The reason
this whole thing started

902
00:31:47,982 --> 00:31:48,043
for him was because
he had a sighting himself.

903
00:31:48,043 --> 00:31:50,285
for him was because
he had a sighting himself.

904
00:31:50,318 --> 00:31:52,554
I was fully convinced
that the Air Force had said

905
00:31:52,587 --> 00:31:54,043
they were balloons
or something or other.

906
00:31:54,043 --> 00:31:54,522
they were balloons
or something or other.

907
00:31:54,555 --> 00:31:56,858
I never knew what.
And I accepted that.

908
00:31:56,891 --> 00:31:58,526
But then, when we saw

909
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,043
this thing flying around,
I was very aware that,

910
00:32:00,043 --> 00:32:00,862
this thing flying around,
I was very aware that,

911
00:32:00,895 --> 00:32:03,331
okay, there's something up there
that has not been explained.

912
00:32:03,364 --> 00:32:06,043
[Kean] He saw
a disk-shaped object in the sky,

913
00:32:06,043 --> 00:32:06,401
[Kean] He saw
a disk-shaped object in the sky,

914
00:32:06,434 --> 00:32:08,603
and it turns out other people
had seen the same thing.

915
00:32:08,636 --> 00:32:11,439
And then he's
in the liquor store one day

916
00:32:11,472 --> 00:32:12,043
'cause he liked to have
his evening Scotch.

917
00:32:12,043 --> 00:32:13,441
'cause he liked to have
his evening Scotch.

918
00:32:13,474 --> 00:32:16,778
The guy in the store
just started talking

919
00:32:16,811 --> 00:32:17,946
about this landing of a UFO

920
00:32:17,979 --> 00:32:18,043
that had happened in New Jersey.

921
00:32:18,043 --> 00:32:19,681
that had happened in New Jersey.

922
00:32:19,714 --> 00:32:22,150
And he said that there had
been beings that had come out,

923
00:32:22,183 --> 00:32:24,043
and there were marks
on the ground.

924
00:32:24,043 --> 00:32:24,319
and there were marks
on the ground.

925
00:32:24,352 --> 00:32:25,987
And he wrote about it
in the Village Voice,

926
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:27,789
a paper in New York City.

927
00:32:27,822 --> 00:32:29,491
And it took off,

928
00:32:29,524 --> 00:32:30,043
and he just got so many letters
from people who said,

929
00:32:30,043 --> 00:32:32,460
and he just got so many letters
from people who said,

930
00:32:32,493 --> 00:32:34,162
"I've seen
things like this, too."

931
00:32:34,195 --> 00:32:36,043
And I concealed deliberately

932
00:32:36,043 --> 00:32:36,364
And I concealed deliberately

933
00:32:36,397 --> 00:32:38,967
certain details about the UFO...
its color,

934
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,236
certain details
about the weather condition...

935
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:42,043
because I wanted to...

936
00:32:42,043 --> 00:32:42,804
because I wanted to...

937
00:32:42,837 --> 00:32:44,672
I-I was convinced
that there were other witnesses,

938
00:32:44,705 --> 00:32:47,042
and I wanted to have some way
of checking their veracity.

939
00:32:47,075 --> 00:32:48,043
And, in fact, we got

940
00:32:48,043 --> 00:32:48,676
And, in fact, we got

941
00:32:48,709 --> 00:32:50,512
something like seven or eight
other witnesses

942
00:32:50,545 --> 00:32:53,048
who were right
about these missing details.

943
00:32:53,081 --> 00:32:54,043
And so I knew, all right,
these things are flying around.

944
00:32:54,043 --> 00:32:55,683
And so I knew, all right,
these things are flying around.

945
00:32:55,716 --> 00:32:57,952
♪ pulsing, intriguing music ♪

946
00:32:57,985 --> 00:33:00,043
He ends up meeting John Mack.

947
00:33:00,043 --> 00:33:00,287
He ends up meeting John Mack.

948
00:33:01,089 --> 00:33:03,558
And he introduces Mack

949
00:33:03,591 --> 00:33:05,794
to some of these folks
who say these things.

950
00:33:05,827 --> 00:33:06,043
[Hopkins]
I handed him 20 unopened letters

951
00:33:06,043 --> 00:33:08,730
[Hopkins]
I handed him 20 unopened letters

952
00:33:08,763 --> 00:33:11,366
that I had not looked at myself,
had not read them,

953
00:33:11,399 --> 00:33:12,043
not opened them, from people

954
00:33:12,043 --> 00:33:13,368
not opened them, from people

955
00:33:13,401 --> 00:33:14,702
who obviously were writing in
because they felt

956
00:33:14,735 --> 00:33:16,571
they'd had experiences.
And I said, "John,

957
00:33:16,604 --> 00:33:18,043
you open these, read...
these letters. You read them."

958
00:33:18,043 --> 00:33:18,373
you open these, read...
these letters. You read them."

959
00:33:18,406 --> 00:33:20,275
And he called me the next day

960
00:33:20,308 --> 00:33:22,476
to say he was quite astonished
by this.

961
00:33:23,644 --> 00:33:24,043
[Blumenthal]
Budd Hopkins trained himself

962
00:33:24,043 --> 00:33:25,413
[Blumenthal]
Budd Hopkins trained himself

963
00:33:25,446 --> 00:33:28,450
to hypnotize people,
but he was an artist,

964
00:33:28,483 --> 00:33:30,043
and, as he said, nobody cares
what an artist thinks.

965
00:33:30,043 --> 00:33:30,685
and, as he said, nobody cares
what an artist thinks.

966
00:33:30,718 --> 00:33:31,886
But John Mack

967
00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:33,088
made people think twice

968
00:33:33,121 --> 00:33:34,722
about the whole subject.

969
00:33:34,755 --> 00:33:36,043
[Eghigian]
Mack was interested in this idea

970
00:33:36,043 --> 00:33:37,859
[Eghigian]
Mack was interested in this idea

971
00:33:37,892 --> 00:33:40,461
that you wanted to focus
on the experience.

972
00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:54,043
♪ gentle, intriguing music ♪

973
00:33:54,043 --> 00:33:54,442
♪ gentle, intriguing music ♪

974
00:33:54,475 --> 00:33:56,845
When they talk about him
going native,

975
00:33:56,878 --> 00:33:59,614
it does seem to me
what any good

976
00:33:59,647 --> 00:34:00,043
treatment professional,
any therapist would do.

977
00:34:00,043 --> 00:34:02,350
treatment professional,
any therapist would do.

978
00:34:02,383 --> 00:34:05,453
You try to put yourself
in the position

979
00:34:05,486 --> 00:34:06,043
in a sympathetic way,

980
00:34:06,043 --> 00:34:08,423
in a sympathetic way,

981
00:34:08,456 --> 00:34:10,125
even maybe empathetic way

982
00:34:10,158 --> 00:34:11,960
of looking at problems
and issues

983
00:34:11,993 --> 00:34:12,043
through the experiences
and lives

984
00:34:12,043 --> 00:34:13,228
through the experiences
and lives

985
00:34:13,261 --> 00:34:14,795
of the people you're treating.

986
00:34:16,797 --> 00:34:18,043
[inhales deeply]

987
00:34:18,043 --> 00:34:19,067
[inhales deeply]

988
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,269
[grunts]

989
00:34:21,302 --> 00:34:24,043
[speaks indistinctly]

990
00:34:24,043 --> 00:34:24,171
[speaks indistinctly]

991
00:34:25,573 --> 00:34:27,442
-They're horrible.
-[Hopkins] Who's horrible?

992
00:34:27,475 --> 00:34:29,577
-They are.
-[Hopkins] Who's "they"?

993
00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:30,043
I don't want to talk about it.

994
00:34:30,043 --> 00:34:32,480
I don't want to talk about it.

995
00:34:41,956 --> 00:34:42,043
Right.

996
00:34:42,043 --> 00:34:43,524
Right.

997
00:34:44,325 --> 00:34:46,294
He had won a Pulitzer Prize,

998
00:34:46,327 --> 00:34:48,043
the biography
of Lawrence of Arabia.

999
00:34:48,043 --> 00:34:48,496
the biography
of Lawrence of Arabia.

1000
00:34:48,529 --> 00:34:51,599
John Mack
did identify with Lawrence.

1001
00:34:51,632 --> 00:34:54,043
The person who had a conflict
between his inner life...

1002
00:34:54,043 --> 00:34:55,603
The person who had a conflict
between his inner life...

1003
00:34:55,636 --> 00:34:57,939
very, uh, intellectual...
and his outer life,

1004
00:34:57,972 --> 00:35:00,043
obviously mobilizing
Arab tribesmen

1005
00:35:00,043 --> 00:35:00,208
obviously mobilizing
Arab tribesmen

1006
00:35:00,241 --> 00:35:01,676
against the Ottoman Empire.

1007
00:35:01,709 --> 00:35:04,245
A very action-filled life.

1008
00:35:04,278 --> 00:35:05,980
[shouting]

1009
00:35:06,013 --> 00:35:06,043
No prisoners! No prisoners!

1010
00:35:06,043 --> 00:35:10,451
No prisoners! No prisoners!

1011
00:35:10,484 --> 00:35:11,653
Hyah!

1012
00:35:11,686 --> 00:35:12,043
Charge!

1013
00:35:12,043 --> 00:35:13,521
Charge!

1014
00:35:17,959 --> 00:35:18,043
[Blumenthal]
He said many times, John Mack,

1015
00:35:18,043 --> 00:35:19,994
[Blumenthal]
He said many times, John Mack,

1016
00:35:20,027 --> 00:35:22,663
that he identified
with his struggles.

1017
00:35:23,497 --> 00:35:24,043
And he tried to emulate
Lawrence's methods

1018
00:35:24,043 --> 00:35:26,000
And he tried to emulate
Lawrence's methods

1019
00:35:26,033 --> 00:35:28,169
because Lawrence
was a master statesman, too.

1020
00:35:28,202 --> 00:35:30,043
Very politically savvy.

1021
00:35:30,043 --> 00:35:30,705
Very politically savvy.

1022
00:35:30,738 --> 00:35:33,408
John Mack
was in similar circumstances.

1023
00:35:33,441 --> 00:35:35,577
You know, pillar
of the Harvard establishment,

1024
00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:36,043
interested in, you know,
aliens and UFOs.

1025
00:35:36,043 --> 00:35:37,645
interested in, you know,
aliens and UFOs.

1026
00:35:37,678 --> 00:35:39,380
♪ intriguing, dramatic music ♪

1027
00:35:39,413 --> 00:35:41,549
[Mack] Either we try
to shrink the phenomenon

1028
00:35:41,582 --> 00:35:42,043
into something where it...

1029
00:35:42,043 --> 00:35:43,484
into something where it...

1030
00:35:43,517 --> 00:35:45,687
as far as I can tell,
it won't fit,

1031
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,043
or we're gonna have to stretch
our notions of the possible.

1032
00:35:48,043 --> 00:35:49,023
or we're gonna have to stretch
our notions of the possible.

1033
00:35:49,056 --> 00:35:52,860
John really had a lot at stake
given his position at Harvard

1034
00:35:52,893 --> 00:35:54,043
and his credentials
and, you know, all of that.

1035
00:35:54,043 --> 00:35:55,563
and his credentials
and, you know, all of that.

1036
00:35:56,364 --> 00:35:58,099
[Blumenthal]
First of all,

1037
00:35:58,132 --> 00:36:00,043
Harvard was really no stranger
to anomalous research.

1038
00:36:00,043 --> 00:36:00,068
Harvard was really no stranger
to anomalous research.

1039
00:36:00,101 --> 00:36:02,971
I mean, William James,
the father of psychology,

1040
00:36:03,004 --> 00:36:04,339
was attending séances

1041
00:36:04,372 --> 00:36:06,043
and writing
about paranormal events

1042
00:36:06,043 --> 00:36:06,474
and writing
about paranormal events

1043
00:36:06,507 --> 00:36:07,408
a hundred years ago.

1044
00:36:07,441 --> 00:36:09,544
But something

1045
00:36:09,577 --> 00:36:12,043
about John Mack's manner
had put them off.

1046
00:36:12,043 --> 00:36:12,046
about John Mack's manner
had put them off.

1047
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,848
He was a little too popular.

1048
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:17,919
Academia will never forgive...
[laughs]

1049
00:36:17,952 --> 00:36:18,043
...professors
who spend their lives writing,

1050
00:36:18,043 --> 00:36:20,221
...professors
who spend their lives writing,

1051
00:36:20,254 --> 00:36:23,691
you know, obscure papers
that never get any attention.

1052
00:36:23,724 --> 00:36:24,043
Then this guy comes along,
and he writes a best seller

1053
00:36:24,043 --> 00:36:25,994
Then this guy comes along,
and he writes a best seller

1054
00:36:26,027 --> 00:36:29,564
after trying
to get peer-reviewed, you know,

1055
00:36:29,597 --> 00:36:30,043
-and being rejected.
-[Eghigian] Harvard ends up

1056
00:36:30,043 --> 00:36:32,567
-and being rejected.
-[Eghigian] Harvard ends up

1057
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,502
doing an investigation

1058
00:36:34,535 --> 00:36:36,043
into his research practices.

1059
00:36:36,043 --> 00:36:37,238
into his research practices.

1060
00:36:37,271 --> 00:36:40,074
In the end, he is

1061
00:36:40,107 --> 00:36:42,043
allowed to continue his career.

1062
00:36:42,043 --> 00:36:42,743
allowed to continue his career.

1063
00:36:46,013 --> 00:36:48,043
This is also part
of that history

1064
00:36:48,043 --> 00:36:48,983
This is also part
of that history

1065
00:36:49,016 --> 00:36:51,586
of the flying saucer
UFO phenomenon,

1066
00:36:51,619 --> 00:36:54,043
that whenever an institution

1067
00:36:54,043 --> 00:36:54,756
that whenever an institution

1068
00:36:54,789 --> 00:36:57,125
that is recognized as respected,

1069
00:36:57,158 --> 00:36:59,994
whenever they grant this stuff

1070
00:37:00,027 --> 00:37:00,043
some sort of legitimacy
as a topic

1071
00:37:00,043 --> 00:37:02,830
some sort of legitimacy
as a topic

1072
00:37:02,863 --> 00:37:06,043
that is worthy of conversation,
worthy of investigation...

1073
00:37:06,043 --> 00:37:06,634
that is worthy of conversation,
worthy of investigation...

1074
00:37:07,435 --> 00:37:10,237
...it is credibility.

1075
00:37:11,072 --> 00:37:12,043
[Knapp] During that same period
of time, Bob Bigelow

1076
00:37:12,043 --> 00:37:13,941
[Knapp] During that same period
of time, Bob Bigelow

1077
00:37:13,974 --> 00:37:15,910
is starting
to put the pieces together

1078
00:37:15,943 --> 00:37:18,043
for the National Institute
for Discovery Science, NIDS.

1079
00:37:18,043 --> 00:37:20,581
for the National Institute
for Discovery Science, NIDS.

1080
00:37:20,614 --> 00:37:22,583
♪ quiet, intriguing music ♪

1081
00:37:22,616 --> 00:37:24,043
[Lara Logan]
Do you imagine

1082
00:37:24,043 --> 00:37:24,252
[Lara Logan]
Do you imagine

1083
00:37:24,285 --> 00:37:26,054
that in our space travels,

1084
00:37:26,087 --> 00:37:29,791
we will encounter
other forms of intelligent life?

1085
00:37:29,824 --> 00:37:30,043
You don't have to go anywhere.

1086
00:37:30,043 --> 00:37:31,559
You don't have to go anywhere.

1087
00:37:31,592 --> 00:37:33,761
-You can find it here?
-Yeah.

1088
00:37:33,794 --> 00:37:36,043
-[laughs]
-[Knapp] He and I would meet,

1089
00:37:36,043 --> 00:37:36,097
-[laughs]
-[Knapp] He and I would meet,

1090
00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:38,833
and during those years,
he would share with me

1091
00:37:38,866 --> 00:37:40,601
things that he was financing,

1092
00:37:40,634 --> 00:37:42,043
the kind of research
that he had funded.

1093
00:37:42,043 --> 00:37:43,437
the kind of research
that he had funded.

1094
00:37:44,672 --> 00:37:48,043
He was, at that time,
providing financial support

1095
00:37:48,043 --> 00:37:48,643
He was, at that time,
providing financial support

1096
00:37:48,676 --> 00:37:51,012
to a number of
really distinguished academics

1097
00:37:51,045 --> 00:37:52,613
and researchers.

1098
00:37:52,646 --> 00:37:54,043
People like Budd Hopkins.

1099
00:37:54,043 --> 00:37:54,882
People like Budd Hopkins.

1100
00:37:55,850 --> 00:37:57,118
And eventually

1101
00:37:57,151 --> 00:37:58,352
Dr. John Mack from Harvard.

1102
00:37:59,553 --> 00:38:00,043
[Greenewald] When you look
at those connections, right,

1103
00:38:00,043 --> 00:38:02,023
[Greenewald] When you look
at those connections, right,

1104
00:38:02,056 --> 00:38:04,992
and everybody seemingly
is more and more connected,

1105
00:38:05,025 --> 00:38:06,043
uh, into this story,

1106
00:38:06,043 --> 00:38:06,728
uh, into this story,

1107
00:38:06,761 --> 00:38:10,832
you see them all essentially gel
for decades together,

1108
00:38:10,865 --> 00:38:12,043
and they just keep popping up

1109
00:38:12,043 --> 00:38:12,834
and they just keep popping up

1110
00:38:12,867 --> 00:38:16,003
in the same programs
or the same stories

1111
00:38:16,036 --> 00:38:17,905
or the same objectives.

1112
00:38:17,938 --> 00:38:18,043
Why is that?

1113
00:38:18,043 --> 00:38:19,307
Why is that?

1114
00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:21,509
Is it that they're just
all buddies and friends

1115
00:38:21,542 --> 00:38:23,511
and they have
this budding interest

1116
00:38:23,544 --> 00:38:24,043
in the same things?

1117
00:38:24,043 --> 00:38:25,113
in the same things?

1118
00:38:25,146 --> 00:38:26,781
Or maybe there's something else
being played out

1119
00:38:26,814 --> 00:38:29,150
at this point
that keeps them all together?

1120
00:38:29,183 --> 00:38:30,043
-♪
-[dialogue inaudible]

1121
00:38:30,043 --> 00:38:30,885
-♪
-[dialogue inaudible]

1122
00:38:30,918 --> 00:38:34,389
[Dorsch]
I want to be generous, but

1123
00:38:34,422 --> 00:38:35,890
if there's anything
we've learned,

1124
00:38:35,923 --> 00:38:36,043
there is money
and a certain kind of prestige

1125
00:38:36,043 --> 00:38:38,393
there is money
and a certain kind of prestige

1126
00:38:38,426 --> 00:38:40,194
in being
at the forefront of this.

1127
00:38:40,227 --> 00:38:42,043
Thank you.

1128
00:38:42,043 --> 00:38:42,463
Thank you.

1129
00:38:42,496 --> 00:38:44,232
[Eghigian]
From the very beginning,

1130
00:38:44,265 --> 00:38:46,801
there are drivers of this.

1131
00:38:46,834 --> 00:38:48,043
There are people
who take up a role

1132
00:38:48,043 --> 00:38:50,071
There are people
who take up a role

1133
00:38:50,104 --> 00:38:51,506
kind of self-appointedly.

1134
00:38:51,539 --> 00:38:53,541
[chuckles]
They take up this role that,

1135
00:38:53,574 --> 00:38:54,043
"I am going to be

1136
00:38:54,043 --> 00:38:55,576
"I am going to be

1137
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:56,711
a campaigner."

1138
00:38:56,744 --> 00:38:58,212
-[applause]
-For a time,

1139
00:38:58,245 --> 00:38:59,714
they are the bright,

1140
00:38:59,747 --> 00:39:00,043
shining stars in all this,

1141
00:39:00,043 --> 00:39:01,416
shining stars in all this,

1142
00:39:01,449 --> 00:39:03,351
but they ultimately fall away,

1143
00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:05,119
and new people take their place.

1144
00:39:05,152 --> 00:39:06,043
[applause]

1145
00:39:06,043 --> 00:39:07,321
[applause]

1146
00:39:07,354 --> 00:39:09,390
There's never been

1147
00:39:09,423 --> 00:39:10,858
some central institution,

1148
00:39:10,891 --> 00:39:12,043
a central agency
or a group of people

1149
00:39:12,043 --> 00:39:14,629
a central agency
or a group of people

1150
00:39:14,662 --> 00:39:17,231
who concertedly try
to keep this thing alive.

1151
00:39:17,264 --> 00:39:18,043
♪ pulsing, dramatic music ♪

1152
00:39:18,043 --> 00:39:19,901
♪ pulsing, dramatic music ♪

1153
00:39:19,934 --> 00:39:22,537
But there's always been
this kind of interest

1154
00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:24,043
at an individual level.

1155
00:39:24,043 --> 00:39:24,572
at an individual level.

1156
00:39:24,605 --> 00:39:26,441
I think you can go so far
as to say some people

1157
00:39:26,474 --> 00:39:30,043
really understand themselves
as crusaders for truth.

1158
00:39:30,043 --> 00:39:30,778
really understand themselves
as crusaders for truth.

1159
00:39:33,447 --> 00:39:36,043
[Richard Doty] In 1947,
two craft crashed in New Mexico.

1160
00:39:36,043 --> 00:39:36,884
[Richard Doty] In 1947,
two craft crashed in New Mexico.

1161
00:39:36,917 --> 00:39:38,753
They collided,

1162
00:39:38,786 --> 00:39:40,621
and one crashed
near Corona, New Mexico,

1163
00:39:40,654 --> 00:39:42,043
which is public record.

1164
00:39:42,043 --> 00:39:42,957
which is public record.

1165
00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:45,226
The second craft
crashed way out west

1166
00:39:45,259 --> 00:39:47,195
of Magdalena, New Mexico,

1167
00:39:47,228 --> 00:39:48,043
and that wasn't found
until two years later.

1168
00:39:48,043 --> 00:39:50,064
and that wasn't found
until two years later.

1169
00:39:50,097 --> 00:39:52,266
But the one that crashed
in Corona,

1170
00:39:52,299 --> 00:39:53,768
they also found a live alien.

1171
00:39:53,801 --> 00:39:54,043
That live alien was named Eba,

1172
00:39:54,043 --> 00:39:57,438
That live alien was named Eba,

1173
00:39:57,471 --> 00:39:59,474
and he was transported to...

1174
00:39:59,507 --> 00:40:00,043
It was a ma... a male.

1175
00:40:00,043 --> 00:40:01,008
It was a ma... a male.

1176
00:40:01,041 --> 00:40:04,178
He was transported
to Los Alamos, where he...

1177
00:40:04,211 --> 00:40:06,013
he lived out his life.

1178
00:40:07,047 --> 00:40:08,783
He died in 1952,

1179
00:40:08,816 --> 00:40:11,152
but during that time period
that he was with us,

1180
00:40:11,185 --> 00:40:12,043
he told us
a plethora of information

1181
00:40:12,043 --> 00:40:13,754
he told us
a plethora of information

1182
00:40:13,787 --> 00:40:16,324
about what they have learned
about the universe

1183
00:40:16,357 --> 00:40:18,043
and what their technology is.

1184
00:40:18,043 --> 00:40:18,793
and what their technology is.

1185
00:40:18,826 --> 00:40:21,796
Their technology
is probably, uh, estimated

1186
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:24,043
to be about 50,000 years
ahead of us.

1187
00:40:24,043 --> 00:40:24,198
to be about 50,000 years
ahead of us.

1188
00:40:25,032 --> 00:40:29,837
They did have some tools
and some material in the craft

1189
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:30,043
that the Air Force was able to

1190
00:40:30,043 --> 00:40:31,272
that the Air Force was able to

1191
00:40:31,305 --> 00:40:33,574
and U.S. intelligence community
was able

1192
00:40:33,607 --> 00:40:36,043
to retrieve
and reverse engineer.

1193
00:40:36,043 --> 00:40:37,044
to retrieve
and reverse engineer.

1194
00:40:39,179 --> 00:40:41,249
[sighs] I don't know that
I necessarily have much

1195
00:40:41,282 --> 00:40:42,043
to say about that
except, like, at risk of...

1196
00:40:42,043 --> 00:40:43,718
to say about that
except, like, at risk of...

1197
00:40:43,751 --> 00:40:45,386
I don't want to impugn
anyone's character,

1198
00:40:45,419 --> 00:40:48,043
but in the sort of post-Brexit,
post-Trump era

1199
00:40:48,043 --> 00:40:48,556
but in the sort of post-Brexit,
post-Trump era

1200
00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:50,725
of social media and fake news,

1201
00:40:50,758 --> 00:40:52,193
there is something dangerous

1202
00:40:52,226 --> 00:40:54,043
about allowing
uncritical narratives

1203
00:40:54,043 --> 00:40:56,063
about allowing
uncritical narratives

1204
00:40:56,096 --> 00:40:58,733
that undermine public trust

1205
00:40:58,766 --> 00:41:00,043
in really fundamental
institutions

1206
00:41:00,043 --> 00:41:00,935
in really fundamental
institutions

1207
00:41:00,968 --> 00:41:02,470
like the United States military

1208
00:41:02,503 --> 00:41:04,539
and our intelligence
communities.

1209
00:41:04,572 --> 00:41:06,043
♪ tense, dramatic music ♪

1210
00:41:06,043 --> 00:41:07,341
♪ tense, dramatic music ♪

1211
00:41:07,374 --> 00:41:09,877
[Kean] We have to move
in a way that's very credible,

1212
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:12,043
that can penetrate
the status quo

1213
00:41:12,043 --> 00:41:12,480
that can penetrate
the status quo

1214
00:41:12,513 --> 00:41:15,949
and can get through to senators
and congressmen and scientists.

1215
00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:18,043
I've always advocated.

1216
00:41:18,043 --> 00:41:18,419
I've always advocated.

1217
00:41:18,452 --> 00:41:21,022
I started working on this
in the year 2000,

1218
00:41:21,055 --> 00:41:24,043
and one of my initial points
to advocate for was that we need

1219
00:41:24,043 --> 00:41:24,325
and one of my initial points
to advocate for was that we need

1220
00:41:24,358 --> 00:41:28,762
a government agency in order
to do proper investigations.

1221
00:41:36,570 --> 00:41:38,339
Somebody
who's interested in UFOs

1222
00:41:38,372 --> 00:41:39,807
writes a story about UFOs.

1223
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,309
Well, there's a plot for you.

1224
00:41:41,342 --> 00:41:42,043
There's a dastardly plot.

1225
00:41:42,043 --> 00:41:43,077
There's a dastardly plot.

1226
00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:45,112
Of course she's interested
in UFOs,

1227
00:41:45,145 --> 00:41:48,043
and of course she helped, uh,
get that story on-on the paper.

1228
00:41:48,043 --> 00:41:48,416
and of course she helped, uh,
get that story on-on the paper.

1229
00:41:48,449 --> 00:41:51,118
Is she supposed to cover stories
she's not interested in?

1230
00:41:57,625 --> 00:42:00,043
[Kean] It was Puthoff,
Mellon and Jim Semivan,

1231
00:42:00,043 --> 00:42:00,494
[Kean] It was Puthoff,
Mellon and Jim Semivan,

1232
00:42:00,527 --> 00:42:03,864
who was in the CIA
for many, many years.

1233
00:42:03,897 --> 00:42:06,043
And I had known Puthoff
for a very long time,

1234
00:42:06,043 --> 00:42:06,200
And I had known Puthoff
for a very long time,

1235
00:42:06,233 --> 00:42:08,936
and I had known
Chris Mellon also.

1236
00:42:08,969 --> 00:42:10,504
They knew
that I was a journalist

1237
00:42:10,537 --> 00:42:12,043
who took this seriously,

1238
00:42:12,043 --> 00:42:12,173
who took this seriously,

1239
00:42:12,206 --> 00:42:13,975
so they were interested
in just bringing me down

1240
00:42:14,008 --> 00:42:15,943
and telling me
about the program.

1241
00:42:16,777 --> 00:42:18,043
A secret UFO program
has just been revealed.

1242
00:42:18,043 --> 00:42:19,880
A secret UFO program
has just been revealed.

1243
00:42:19,913 --> 00:42:21,816
The military spent
millions of dollars

1244
00:42:21,849 --> 00:42:23,284
to look into UFO sightings,

1245
00:42:23,317 --> 00:42:24,043
and those videos
are now being made public.

1246
00:42:24,043 --> 00:42:26,019
and those videos
are now being made public.

1247
00:42:26,854 --> 00:42:28,723
[newsman]
Christopher Mellon served

1248
00:42:28,756 --> 00:42:30,043
as Deputy Assistant Secretary
of Defense for Intelligence

1249
00:42:30,043 --> 00:42:31,559
as Deputy Assistant Secretary
of Defense for Intelligence

1250
00:42:31,592 --> 00:42:34,395
for Presidents Clinton
and George W. Bush.

1251
00:42:34,428 --> 00:42:36,043
In 2017, as a private citizen,
he surreptitiously acquired

1252
00:42:36,043 --> 00:42:38,933
In 2017, as a private citizen,
he surreptitiously acquired

1253
00:42:38,966 --> 00:42:42,043
the three Navy videos
Elizondo had declassified

1254
00:42:42,043 --> 00:42:42,269
the three Navy videos
Elizondo had declassified

1255
00:42:42,302 --> 00:42:45,406
and leaked them
to The New York Times.

1256
00:42:45,439 --> 00:42:48,043
It's bizarre and unfortunate
that someone like myself

1257
00:42:48,043 --> 00:42:49,710
It's bizarre and unfortunate
that someone like myself

1258
00:42:49,743 --> 00:42:51,545
has to do something like that

1259
00:42:51,578 --> 00:42:54,043
to get a national security issue
like this on the agenda.

1260
00:42:54,043 --> 00:42:55,316
to get a national security issue
like this on the agenda.

1261
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:57,318
[Knapp] Chris Mellon is
one of the wealthiest

1262
00:42:57,351 --> 00:42:59,020
people in America.

1263
00:42:59,053 --> 00:43:00,043
He devoted himself
to a life of public service,

1264
00:43:00,043 --> 00:43:01,222
He devoted himself
to a life of public service,

1265
00:43:01,255 --> 00:43:03,491
working for Senate
intelligence committees

1266
00:43:03,524 --> 00:43:06,043
and then at the Pentagon.
He doesn't need the money.

1267
00:43:06,043 --> 00:43:06,326
and then at the Pentagon.
He doesn't need the money.

1268
00:43:07,261 --> 00:43:10,731
He's not out to besmirch
his family's reputation,

1269
00:43:10,764 --> 00:43:12,043
his own reputation

1270
00:43:12,043 --> 00:43:12,400
his own reputation

1271
00:43:12,433 --> 00:43:15,503
by engaging in some kind
of disinformation plot,

1272
00:43:15,536 --> 00:43:16,937
fooling the American public.

1273
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:18,043
He's there
'cause he wants to know.

1274
00:43:18,043 --> 00:43:18,872
He's there
'cause he wants to know.

1275
00:43:21,041 --> 00:43:23,144
[Eghigian]
To the Stars... Academy

1276
00:43:23,177 --> 00:43:24,043
and the people involved in that

1277
00:43:24,043 --> 00:43:24,945
and the people involved in that

1278
00:43:24,978 --> 00:43:28,349
have definitely assumed
the driving role.

1279
00:43:28,382 --> 00:43:30,043
They are, in many ways,

1280
00:43:30,043 --> 00:43:30,151
They are, in many ways,

1281
00:43:30,184 --> 00:43:33,154
the kind of
now center of gravity

1282
00:43:33,187 --> 00:43:34,888
for this stuff.

1283
00:43:46,767 --> 00:43:48,043
I really don't know
the inside story.

1284
00:43:48,043 --> 00:43:48,536
I really don't know
the inside story.

1285
00:43:48,569 --> 00:43:51,072
I mean, I just know
that they have moved on.

1286
00:43:51,105 --> 00:43:53,674
♪ dramatic, intriguing music ♪

1287
00:43:53,707 --> 00:43:54,043
And I think people
like Chris Mellon, Lue Elizondo

1288
00:43:54,043 --> 00:43:55,443
And I think people
like Chris Mellon, Lue Elizondo

1289
00:43:55,476 --> 00:43:57,678
are working to try
to get as much as they can...

1290
00:43:57,711 --> 00:44:00,043
You know, to have the influence
to try to get

1291
00:44:00,043 --> 00:44:01,248
You know, to have the influence
to try to get

1292
00:44:01,281 --> 00:44:03,150
as much as can be released
released.

1293
00:44:04,251 --> 00:44:06,043
Having members of Congress
briefed,

1294
00:44:06,043 --> 00:44:06,487
Having members of Congress
briefed,

1295
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,890
speaking to all kinds of people
to keep the ball rolling.

1296
00:44:12,593 --> 00:44:13,961
I don't know.

1297
00:44:13,994 --> 00:44:17,331
It's just a slow process,
unfortunately.

1298
00:44:17,364 --> 00:44:18,043
But it's unpredictable.

1299
00:44:18,043 --> 00:44:19,399
But it's unpredictable.

1300
00:44:23,403 --> 00:44:24,043
[Eghigian]
The thing that defines

1301
00:44:24,043 --> 00:44:25,406
[Eghigian]
The thing that defines

1302
00:44:25,439 --> 00:44:27,775
the UFO
is this elusiveness, right?

1303
00:44:27,808 --> 00:44:30,043
There's a French sociologist
who makes a really good point

1304
00:44:30,043 --> 00:44:31,445
There's a French sociologist
who makes a really good point

1305
00:44:31,478 --> 00:44:33,881
about UFOs.

1306
00:44:33,914 --> 00:44:36,043
The thing that makes UFOs
so interesting

1307
00:44:36,043 --> 00:44:37,418
The thing that makes UFOs
so interesting

1308
00:44:37,451 --> 00:44:40,954
isn't that they appear;
it's that they disappear.

1309
00:44:43,423 --> 00:44:45,392
The thing that's frustrating
for so many

1310
00:44:45,425 --> 00:44:48,043
is the very key
to why it's so mesmerizing.

1311
00:44:48,043 --> 00:44:50,097
is the very key
to why it's so mesmerizing.

1312
00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:52,065
It's the disappearance.

1313
00:44:54,401 --> 00:44:56,570
[man] There goes one.
Now they're back to two lights.

1314
00:44:56,603 --> 00:44:58,439
Oh, there it goes.

1315
00:44:58,472 --> 00:44:59,974
Boom. All three.

1316
00:45:00,007 --> 00:45:00,043
[woman]
What is that?

1317
00:45:00,043 --> 00:45:02,776
[woman]
What is that?

1318
00:45:08,982 --> 00:45:12,043
[newswoman] I want to take you
straight to NASA headquarters.

1319
00:45:12,043 --> 00:45:12,119
[newswoman] I want to take you
straight to NASA headquarters.

1320
00:45:12,152 --> 00:45:14,588
Let's just listen
and see what might be happening.

1321
00:45:14,621 --> 00:45:16,590
♪ slow, gentle music ♪

1322
00:45:16,623 --> 00:45:18,043
♪

1323
00:45:18,043 --> 00:45:18,526
♪

1324
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:21,061
And a picture there
that you can see

1325
00:45:21,094 --> 00:45:24,043
the first powered
controlled flight

1326
00:45:24,043 --> 00:45:24,398
the first powered
controlled flight

1327
00:45:24,431 --> 00:45:26,033
on another planet,

1328
00:45:26,066 --> 00:45:28,803
so cause for celebration.

1329
00:45:28,836 --> 00:45:30,043
We've been flying on Earth
for just over 100 years,

1330
00:45:30,043 --> 00:45:32,573
We've been flying on Earth
for just over 100 years,

1331
00:45:32,606 --> 00:45:35,309
and now we're-we're gonna go
to another planet and fly.

1332
00:45:35,342 --> 00:45:36,043
It's crazy.

1333
00:45:36,043 --> 00:45:36,510
It's crazy.

1334
00:45:39,546 --> 00:45:42,043
[Blumenthal] You don't need
science fiction anymore.

1335
00:45:42,043 --> 00:45:42,183
[Blumenthal] You don't need
science fiction anymore.

1336
00:45:42,216 --> 00:45:45,653
[laughs] Reality
is really exciting enough.

1337
00:45:45,686 --> 00:45:48,043
I mean, it sounds quaint today
to pick up books

1338
00:45:48,043 --> 00:45:48,689
I mean, it sounds quaint today
to pick up books

1339
00:45:48,722 --> 00:45:50,357
about voyages to Mars.

1340
00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:54,043
We've vastly outpaced
the science fiction of the '50s.

1341
00:45:54,043 --> 00:45:58,298
We've vastly outpaced
the science fiction of the '50s.

1342
00:46:00,234 --> 00:46:02,336
[Kean]
It's just a different world now,

1343
00:46:02,369 --> 00:46:03,571
and there's a level of openness

1344
00:46:03,604 --> 00:46:06,043
and now an acceptance
of the reality.

1345
00:46:06,043 --> 00:46:06,173
and now an acceptance
of the reality.

1346
00:46:06,206 --> 00:46:08,242
We've had some big events
in the past

1347
00:46:08,275 --> 00:46:11,178
where, you know,
there were hundreds of witnesses

1348
00:46:11,211 --> 00:46:12,043
where the government
would still just not comment

1349
00:46:12,043 --> 00:46:13,447
where the government
would still just not comment

1350
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,318
or ignore it or say it was
planes flying in formation.

1351
00:46:17,351 --> 00:46:18,043
Today, that could not happen.

1352
00:46:18,043 --> 00:46:19,452
Today, that could not happen.

1353
00:46:25,158 --> 00:46:26,927
The next big line

1354
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,043
to be crossed is when there is
an acknowledgement that

1355
00:46:30,043 --> 00:46:30,431
to be crossed is when there is
an acknowledgement that

1356
00:46:30,464 --> 00:46:34,935
it definitely is not
from any country on Earth.

1357
00:46:34,968 --> 00:46:36,043
♪ loud, dramatic music ♪

1358
00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:37,137
♪ loud, dramatic music ♪

1359
00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:39,840
♪

1360
00:46:46,113 --> 00:46:48,043
[man]
My gosh.

1361
00:46:48,043 --> 00:46:48,548
[man]
My gosh.

1362
00:46:49,716 --> 00:46:52,019
[Barack Obama]
There's footage and records

1363
00:46:52,052 --> 00:46:54,043
of objects in the skies

1364
00:46:54,043 --> 00:46:54,188
of objects in the skies

1365
00:46:54,221 --> 00:46:57,191
that we don't know exactly
what they are.

1366
00:46:57,224 --> 00:47:00,043
We can't explain how they moved,

1367
00:47:00,043 --> 00:47:00,694
We can't explain how they moved,

1368
00:47:00,727 --> 00:47:02,596
their trajectory.

1369
00:47:02,629 --> 00:47:06,043
They did not have
an easily explainable pattern.

1370
00:47:06,043 --> 00:47:06,934
They did not have
an easily explainable pattern.

1371
00:47:06,967 --> 00:47:08,836
[Kean]
If Russia, China and America

1372
00:47:08,869 --> 00:47:11,438
all got together and said,
"We're gonna acknowledge this,

1373
00:47:11,471 --> 00:47:12,043
that this doesn't come
from any of our countries."

1374
00:47:12,043 --> 00:47:14,041
that this doesn't come
from any of our countries."

1375
00:47:14,074 --> 00:47:15,576
I don't know
if that's ever gonna happen,

1376
00:47:15,609 --> 00:47:17,577
but I think that's
the direction we're moving in.

1377
00:47:19,379 --> 00:47:23,050
[Eghigian] The thing
about the UFO phenomenon is

1378
00:47:23,083 --> 00:47:24,043
it's just not a phenomenon.

1379
00:47:24,043 --> 00:47:24,985
it's just not a phenomenon.

1380
00:47:25,018 --> 00:47:26,654
It has always been

1381
00:47:26,687 --> 00:47:30,043
shrouded in mystery.

1382
00:47:30,043 --> 00:47:30,190
shrouded in mystery.

1383
00:47:30,223 --> 00:47:32,259
There are people
who view this stuff

1384
00:47:32,292 --> 00:47:33,761
as a puzzle that can be solved.

1385
00:47:33,794 --> 00:47:36,043
We just need
to put the pieces together.

1386
00:47:36,043 --> 00:47:36,429
We just need
to put the pieces together.

1387
00:47:38,065 --> 00:47:40,901
And then there are people
who see these as mysteries,

1388
00:47:40,934 --> 00:47:42,043
and mysteries are never solved.

1389
00:47:42,043 --> 00:47:42,369
and mysteries are never solved.

1390
00:47:43,203 --> 00:47:45,172
I think that's
what John Mack felt.

1391
00:47:45,205 --> 00:47:48,042
It was a mystery that was just
going to constantly be there

1392
00:47:48,075 --> 00:47:51,645
because what we do as human
beings is work through them.

1393
00:47:53,246 --> 00:47:54,043
[Blumenthal]
There's two huge mysteries,

1394
00:47:54,043 --> 00:47:55,215
[Blumenthal]
There's two huge mysteries,

1395
00:47:55,248 --> 00:47:57,284
I think, uh, out there.
One is:

1396
00:47:57,317 --> 00:47:59,152
Are we alone in the universe?

1397
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,024
The second mystery is:
What happens after we die?

1398
00:48:05,025 --> 00:48:06,043
And maybe they're related.

1399
00:48:06,043 --> 00:48:06,259
And maybe they're related.

1400
00:48:07,194 --> 00:48:09,429
Those are the two big mysteries.

1401
00:48:10,731 --> 00:48:12,043
[man] Have you seen
this image captured

1402
00:48:12,043 --> 00:48:12,766
[man] Have you seen
this image captured

1403
00:48:12,799 --> 00:48:14,368
by the Hubble Telescope

1404
00:48:14,401 --> 00:48:16,904
of the farthest ever view
of the universe?

1405
00:48:16,937 --> 00:48:18,043
Every dot is a galaxy.

1406
00:48:18,043 --> 00:48:18,939
Every dot is a galaxy.

1407
00:48:18,972 --> 00:48:20,808
[Eghigian]
It's fantastic.

1408
00:48:20,841 --> 00:48:24,043
But, on one hand,
it makes you feel small,

1409
00:48:24,043 --> 00:48:24,645
But, on one hand,
it makes you feel small,

1410
00:48:24,678 --> 00:48:26,914
makes us feel really tiny.

1411
00:48:26,947 --> 00:48:30,043
But you're also sort of
caught up with this sense

1412
00:48:30,043 --> 00:48:30,250
But you're also sort of
caught up with this sense

1413
00:48:30,283 --> 00:48:33,587
that there's something bigger
out there.

1414
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:36,043
Carl Sagan used to say we are
all made of star stuff, right?

1415
00:48:36,043 --> 00:48:37,624
Carl Sagan used to say we are
all made of star stuff, right?

1416
00:48:37,657 --> 00:48:40,961
We are all made of this cosmos,
and so there's a sense

1417
00:48:40,994 --> 00:48:42,043
of being connected to something
that is bigger than us.

1418
00:48:42,043 --> 00:48:44,798
of being connected to something
that is bigger than us.

1419
00:48:44,831 --> 00:48:46,600
♪ tense, dramatic music ♪

1420
00:48:46,633 --> 00:48:48,043
♪

1421
00:48:48,043 --> 00:48:49,169
♪

1422
00:49:07,087 --> 00:49:08,889
♪ dramatic music ♪

1423
00:49:08,922 --> 00:49:11,424
♪